Posted on Mar 9, 2014
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Looking at the few things that have been released I'm wondering what everyone thinks about the facial hair standards.  I personally have always used the weekend to let my face recover from having to shave all week long.  What are everyone's thoughts about this and the sideburns not being allowed below the top of the ear?  Is it petty to even ask about these?  What do you think?
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SFC James Baber
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Edited 10 y ago

I addressed this in another post on the subject already, and my answer is still the same.


NCOs are currently having issues enforcing the standards already in place, having an updated and/or new version of the 670-1 is not going to make a difference, other than updating the wear of the current uniform the same problems that are occurring with the current version of the regulation are going to continue, until NCOs stop being afraid to enforce standards and also live by them as well, it is just same shit different day, nothing new here, no extraordinary life's bread discovery.


Nothing drastic will come about except more complaining about not being able to get Soldiers to comply, and a new tool to use for downsizing if someone along the chain decides it can work to get rid of people they want to get rid off to save some of their butt kissers and brown nosers that most likely don't cut it in the real Army but look good to their CDR's.


We have had grooming standards for generations of SMs and with the exception of a small percentage, there has been no real issues, so the continual upgrades and changes proposed within the new versions seems pointless to me unless it is going to have a real effect on someone doing their jobs, the previous standards were fine and were enforceable, so why change or add to them in the new version. Sounds like someone was looking for some recognition and maybe a promotion on who came up with these changes to be included for whoever put the bug in the SMA's ear on that aspect and many others I have read about, not so much on the true functionality of the changes.

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SGT Brendan Beely
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It's a systemic issue.  We had a soldier (female) walk past us the other day with blatantly faddish hair, completely lopsided, a bun on one side of her head and nothing on the other.

She was corrected, by an E-5, with a digital copy of AR 670-1 shown to her on a smartphone.  Her response?

'My NCO told me I can have my hair like this, so I'm in regs.'


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SFC Walter Mack
SFC Walter Mack
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Ask her for her NCOs information, then watch her stammer away.
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SSG Raf Tt
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what ever happened to the days when an NCO told you something, it was "Roger" and you moved out?

 

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SSG Roderick Smith
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I'm ok with having to shave on duty. But there is almost nothing on this planet that I look forward to more than 30 days of leave in backwoods Alabama, where I can grow a beard in peace. Vacation is exactly that: time off. Time away from the job. If you want to keep shaving, good on ya.

I respect the reg enough to completely leave the Army out of my off time. If I'm off and I'm not clean shaven, then I don't go on post for any reason until I look right. When I'm on vacation and I have a 25 day face blanket going on, my ID card doesn't see the light of day. Is it right? Sadly, no. But as many have previously stated, your face needs a break sometimes.
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SFC Walter Mack
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It's time to let Soldiers grow a beard if they want. There's nothing Soldierly about being clean shaven other than we've been brainwashed into believing it. Shaving sucks for a lot of people. I'm having surgery later this week for a shaving related cyst. So much fun.
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