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I saw this on Facebook. What's your thought?
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Posted 11 y ago
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He had nothing to gain?
Sure, that is totally why he shopped his knowledge to the Chinese in Hong Kong and later settled down in Moscow.
I started a thread a while ago where I posited my theory that it is not a coincidence that the Russians got all uppity when they suddenly got access to Snowden. They have been reading our mail.
This SOB is no hero. He is a traitor, pure and simple. I hope he comes home soon. Maybe Chelsea Manning could be his roommate.
Sure, that is totally why he shopped his knowledge to the Chinese in Hong Kong and later settled down in Moscow.
I started a thread a while ago where I posited my theory that it is not a coincidence that the Russians got all uppity when they suddenly got access to Snowden. They have been reading our mail.
This SOB is no hero. He is a traitor, pure and simple. I hope he comes home soon. Maybe Chelsea Manning could be his roommate.
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1SG (Join to see) - Just as long as we don't have to pay for HIS sex change hormones as well....and a panel to be convened try to decide whether Nidal Hassan should be required to shave.
v/r,
CPT Butler
v/r,
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My first thought is $200,000!!!! Wow I went into the wrong part of the government! The second is yeah ok....and I am part of those 97% that wouldn't repost something that is that stupid.
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I do believe that Mr. Snowden BELIEVED he was doing the right thing. I think he saw processes and procedures that he strongly disagreed with and couldn't support. Here's where he rolled off the tracks and down the embankment.
His actions reek of naivete and ignorance. Clearly, he has no idea how the world works, and his idealistic immaturity led him to make a set of horrible choices. He was wrong to violate his contract and - in no uncertain terms - commit treason.
In short, I agree with his STATED concern and disgust for what he saw the NSA doing. But there is NO WAY on this earth that I can condone in any manner the action that he took. He had alternatives. He chose poorly...
His actions reek of naivete and ignorance. Clearly, he has no idea how the world works, and his idealistic immaturity led him to make a set of horrible choices. He was wrong to violate his contract and - in no uncertain terms - commit treason.
In short, I agree with his STATED concern and disgust for what he saw the NSA doing. But there is NO WAY on this earth that I can condone in any manner the action that he took. He had alternatives. He chose poorly...
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PO2 Steven Erickson
I must have missed my target, 1SG (Join to see).
Every step of the way, this guy's actions look like a simian trying to copulate with an ovoid sports object. If, like you say, he knew what he was doing, he did EVERYTHING WRONG. Again... the guy's a traitor and a criminal. However, I think above all else, he's ignorant of how the world works.
Here's what I think happened:
Snowden:
1. This stuff is bad. I don't like it. I think it's against the law or unethical.
2. I have to do something about it. No one but me can fix this.
3. I'll go public, like Woodward and Bernstein. The people will understand what I did and why. The Gov't will be mad, but the people will rally behind me.
(Epic Sh#t Storm Ensues)
4. Holy Crap. I'm in trouble. I need to get outta here. China. Yeah. China will take me until this all blows over.
5. I'll do an interview. They don't understand why I did what I did. That'll make it better.
(Second Epic Sh#t Storm Ensues)
6. I'm screwed. What do I do now? Russia hates the US. I'll go there. Sh#t! I'll go ANYWHERE.
The guy's an idiot, and I don't think he realized what the hell he was getting himself into. He could have simply disappeared or made a butt-ton of cash. Instead... he's screwed.
The road to Hell (and the gallows) is paved with good intentions.
Every step of the way, this guy's actions look like a simian trying to copulate with an ovoid sports object. If, like you say, he knew what he was doing, he did EVERYTHING WRONG. Again... the guy's a traitor and a criminal. However, I think above all else, he's ignorant of how the world works.
Here's what I think happened:
Snowden:
1. This stuff is bad. I don't like it. I think it's against the law or unethical.
2. I have to do something about it. No one but me can fix this.
3. I'll go public, like Woodward and Bernstein. The people will understand what I did and why. The Gov't will be mad, but the people will rally behind me.
(Epic Sh#t Storm Ensues)
4. Holy Crap. I'm in trouble. I need to get outta here. China. Yeah. China will take me until this all blows over.
5. I'll do an interview. They don't understand why I did what I did. That'll make it better.
(Second Epic Sh#t Storm Ensues)
6. I'm screwed. What do I do now? Russia hates the US. I'll go there. Sh#t! I'll go ANYWHERE.
The guy's an idiot, and I don't think he realized what the hell he was getting himself into. He could have simply disappeared or made a butt-ton of cash. Instead... he's screwed.
The road to Hell (and the gallows) is paved with good intentions.
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He could have gotten a lawyer and had much more impact on any wrongdoing without having to go into exile. The optics alone of someone with his skill set and access moving to Russia is a game changer for him. If he ever returns that will now be the focus and it did not have to be that way. He made at least one very bad choice by leaving the US. I have no problem with him exposing some bad actors and practices (within limits in interest of national Security), but have a big problem with him doing it while a guest of the Russians. Folks that are upset about NSA actions need to read Patriot Act vs. 4th Amendment to put things in context.
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I fully support Edward Snowden, he blew the whistle on some absolutely illegal programs being run by our own government, and revealed our own hypocrisy. We encourage and lionize whistle blowing and being an open society... till someone actually blows the whistle, then we hunt them down for revenge. Treason? It has a legal definition, and he doesn't meet it. Espionage? Maybe.
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Read some of the responses, not all...
Guys, what gives the government the right to read my emails or listen to my phone calls?
He woke America up!
Guys, what gives the government the right to read my emails or listen to my phone calls?
He woke America up!
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CWO3 (Join to see)
It is alarming, but which would you most prefer privacy or security? It's a rhetorical question but if we're not doing anything wrong then the metadata they collect has no impact on our lives. It has no name or face until it leads to bad actions and at that point the public security outweighs the privacy of someone that may be conspiring to do AMCITs or the USA harm.
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I feel that what this individual did has done more to damage our standing in the world that almost any other individual that I can remember in my 49 years of life. I shake my head whenever I read/hear someone that cheers him for what he did in the sake of "transparency" and feel that he and Julian Asange(sp?) should be handed over to the US for trial on espionage charges and be held accountable for the damage that they have done. I know there are individuals that say we as a nation should not have secrets and I wholeheartedly disagree, there are times and for certain reasons that we as a nation need to operate in secrecy for the security of our nation. I am not someone who has "drunk the Kool-Aid" but am smart enough to understand that there are areas where our government and nation have to undertake secretive missions to ensure our stability and safety.
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So invading the privacy of U.S. citizens on U.S. soul is acceptable? What's the difference between NSA behavior and the FBI putting a bug in everyone's house claiming anti-terror? The latter is a clear violation of the 4th amendment as it pertains to searches. It boggles my mind how people can rationalize differences. Then they complain about tyranny.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
You are entitled to your opinion and views and I am entitled to mine. Did anything that the government has done interfere with you living your life, it surely did not impact me. We can debate/argue until the both of us are blue in the face and have a deep seated hatred for one another, in the end, IMO, everything that has been done was done with the best of intentions to ensure the safety of my family and me.
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SFC (Join to see) I think people should be more open to new ways of thinking, look for information before setting their minds and be open for debate in this kind of topics. We'll never know the whole truth...
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There are ways to express your concern about not so legal things being done by covert agencies. Giving all of it to someone like Wikileaks is not the way to do it.
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My biggest issue with Mr. Snowden is not the fact that he did it. I can actually appreciate that. My problem is that he ran. He ran from the consequences of his actions. He's a coward that is unwilling to actually stand up for what he believes in.
From a "technical" stand point I don't think he committed "treason." I think he committed Sedition. I think he violated his Non-disclosure agreement, and stole classified information which he had an obligation to safeguard and he ABSOLUTELY needs to be tried for that. It is up to the Courts to determine whether he should go to jail for that.
But he's too cowardly to do that.
He's too cowardly to use the the methods in place to actually "whistle blow" when he thinks the government is corrupt. He had multiple LEGAL avenues to bring this to the public's attention. However he chose not only an illegal way to do it, he ran from the consequences.
Did the American People have a Right to know this was going on? Probably. Did Snowden have the Authority to tell them. No. Not at all. And he should be punished for that.
From a "technical" stand point I don't think he committed "treason." I think he committed Sedition. I think he violated his Non-disclosure agreement, and stole classified information which he had an obligation to safeguard and he ABSOLUTELY needs to be tried for that. It is up to the Courts to determine whether he should go to jail for that.
But he's too cowardly to do that.
He's too cowardly to use the the methods in place to actually "whistle blow" when he thinks the government is corrupt. He had multiple LEGAL avenues to bring this to the public's attention. However he chose not only an illegal way to do it, he ran from the consequences.
Did the American People have a Right to know this was going on? Probably. Did Snowden have the Authority to tell them. No. Not at all. And he should be punished for that.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
SSG (Join to see) Sure there is. You just have to go through the right OIG.
But as it stands, the one set of documents he isn't releasing is the ones showing where he tried to bring up his concerns through proper channels.
The Snowden "case" is not only about Right/Wrong or Constitutional/Unconstitutional. It's about Legal/Illegal as well.
It has multiple facets.
What he did was Illegal. There is not one shred of doubt on that. Was he morally justified do it it? Quite possibly, based on the Constitutional implications.
My problem with him is the Ethics after the fact. If you are going to stand up for what you believe in. Don't run away after you do.
But as it stands, the one set of documents he isn't releasing is the ones showing where he tried to bring up his concerns through proper channels.
The Snowden "case" is not only about Right/Wrong or Constitutional/Unconstitutional. It's about Legal/Illegal as well.
It has multiple facets.
What he did was Illegal. There is not one shred of doubt on that. Was he morally justified do it it? Quite possibly, based on the Constitutional implications.
My problem with him is the Ethics after the fact. If you are going to stand up for what you believe in. Don't run away after you do.
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If I thought there was a chance he'd get his day in court in a fair way I'd absolutely agree with you
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
SSG (Join to see) That's the thing. Doing the Right thing should be worth the Consequences, whatever they are. You shouldn't have to worry about about a fair trial. It shouldn't matter.
You take your lumps BECAUSE you did the Right thing. You don't expect to be rewarded for doing the right thing, which is what leniency is. It's a reward against criminal action.
You take your lumps BECAUSE you did the Right thing. You don't expect to be rewarded for doing the right thing, which is what leniency is. It's a reward against criminal action.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - The Signers of Declaration of Independence were potentially signing their own Death Warrant. I think that speaks to the price for actions you refer to and agree. He may have done the "right thing" but he did it in the worst way - without actually posting TS or higher "things" in the public arena.
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