Posted on Mar 6, 2015
What does a great Battalion Chaplain look like?
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In your opinion, what does a great Battalion Chaplain look like? Who was your favorite chaplain and why?
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The best chaplain I ever served with was a small Jewish chaplain. No matter where we were he was there. He humped with us. Sweated and froze with us. He always found away to see the troops on the ground. This guy was everywhere when we were in the field. In garrison he showed up in the motor pool on the range at sporting events in the field Sometimes he would roll up with hot chocolate or a cold soda just when you needed it the most. Help dig a foxhole or sleep in the mud with you He was always there for us. Just to talk just to inspire
Funny I am not Jewish but any day anywhere I would serve with him. He would minster to Protestants Catholics he did not judge you and only wanted to serve the spiritual needs of his soldiers.
What made him different? He walked the walk. Talked the talk and shared every burden. He was the standard by which I measured every other chaplain. No matter your religious preference or lack of religious belief this chaplain was loved by all of us because he was the real deal. I never remember anyone having a negative comment about him. It's
Been decades and I don't remember his name but he made a big impact on me for that I will always be grateful
Funny I am not Jewish but any day anywhere I would serve with him. He would minster to Protestants Catholics he did not judge you and only wanted to serve the spiritual needs of his soldiers.
What made him different? He walked the walk. Talked the talk and shared every burden. He was the standard by which I measured every other chaplain. No matter your religious preference or lack of religious belief this chaplain was loved by all of us because he was the real deal. I never remember anyone having a negative comment about him. It's
Been decades and I don't remember his name but he made a big impact on me for that I will always be grateful
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CSM Mark Gerecht Great story... I've known a few chaplains like that, and sadly, others not so much.
As I recently learned, there is one activity where the Army will never let your chaplain join in - the range. According to AR 165-1, chaplains aren't even allowed to do fam fire at the range. Surprising to me, really, given the realities of war, but that's life...
1LT Sandy Annala
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
As I recently learned, there is one activity where the Army will never let your chaplain join in - the range. According to AR 165-1, chaplains aren't even allowed to do fam fire at the range. Surprising to me, really, given the realities of war, but that's life...
1LT Sandy Annala
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CSM Mark Gerecht
Funny. Our guy was always at range density walking the line checking classes talking to soldiers etc. not qualifying
I was recently watching a documentary on IRAQ (I believe). The infantry and armor task force was in the thick of it and black in ammo. They had enemy breaching the perimeter, etc The commander said you know it bad when the chaplain picks up a weapon. I guess at that point there is nothing wrong with some good On the Job Training ( OJT).
I was recently watching a documentary on IRAQ (I believe). The infantry and armor task force was in the thick of it and black in ammo. They had enemy breaching the perimeter, etc The commander said you know it bad when the chaplain picks up a weapon. I guess at that point there is nothing wrong with some good On the Job Training ( OJT).
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
You can go to the range, and encourage the Soldier's and sit under a tree and engage with them while they eat their chow. In the case some one needs to go to the hospital the Chaplain is their to accompany them in the ambulance.
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I served with him in 3/504th PIR in the 82nd and then in the 75th Ranger Regiment. Absolutely phenomenal!
I served with him in 3/504th PIR in the 82nd and then in the 75th Ranger Regiment. Absolutely phenomenal!
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He is retired now and living back in Columbus Georgia. Glad you got the opportunity to serve with him. Truly a privilege!
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SPC Jonathan Sellers
My RIP Instructor also, and also the only one I remember by name. His story of making peace with God in Mogadishu is a great testimony.
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Over the years I've seen a few great qualities from several chaplains that's should be emulated:
-one chaplain in Afghanistan had a service dog with her. This wasn't a bomb dog or an attack dog, but a quiet and friendly lab that would fly from FOB to FOB to cheer up the soldiers. We would always put the dog in Row 3 and it would lay between the crew seats and keep the backseaters company. We shut down for a couple hours one day to watch this chaplain and dog at work, and you could instantly see people forget that they were in a war zone just by spending a few minutes with this dog. Everyone would relax and share stories with the chaplain who would quietly listen. We were told that chaplains having service dogs was a trial program. I don't know if it was true or not, but I do hope a program like that gets off the ground.
-one chaplain would always make his rounds to the flight crews after missions. He paid special attention to the Medevac crews if he knew they had a rough day. He even went so far as to call himself the "First Up Chaplain."
- this may see part of the job, but it was reassuring to see a chaplain take his job so seriously and to have a command team stand behind him. I was on staff duty one night and a call came in requesting a chaplain. The phone call came from another unit, but they weren't turned away. This was a second world country where cell phone use was iffy to begin with and we couldn't get a hold of him. Turns out he was out to dinner with other senior officers from the command. After reaching him through a member a the command team, he excused himself and made his way back to the base to be there for this soldier that he did not know in his time of need.
On the flip side, I've also witnessed a few chaplains completely tarnish the respect that soldiers have for these officers. One in particular was ESL, with Vietnamese as his first language. His lack of English skills completely took away from a memorial service for a fallen comrade not once, but twice. The ability to be understood goes a long way with chaplains.
Overall, each branch of the Army has its nuances. Finding ways to be there for your soldiers and not being an office chaplain will go a long way. My current chaplain is known for walking through the hangars and kicking people out (to include the command team) if he catches them working late. It's a simple gesture that goes a long way.
-one chaplain in Afghanistan had a service dog with her. This wasn't a bomb dog or an attack dog, but a quiet and friendly lab that would fly from FOB to FOB to cheer up the soldiers. We would always put the dog in Row 3 and it would lay between the crew seats and keep the backseaters company. We shut down for a couple hours one day to watch this chaplain and dog at work, and you could instantly see people forget that they were in a war zone just by spending a few minutes with this dog. Everyone would relax and share stories with the chaplain who would quietly listen. We were told that chaplains having service dogs was a trial program. I don't know if it was true or not, but I do hope a program like that gets off the ground.
-one chaplain would always make his rounds to the flight crews after missions. He paid special attention to the Medevac crews if he knew they had a rough day. He even went so far as to call himself the "First Up Chaplain."
- this may see part of the job, but it was reassuring to see a chaplain take his job so seriously and to have a command team stand behind him. I was on staff duty one night and a call came in requesting a chaplain. The phone call came from another unit, but they weren't turned away. This was a second world country where cell phone use was iffy to begin with and we couldn't get a hold of him. Turns out he was out to dinner with other senior officers from the command. After reaching him through a member a the command team, he excused himself and made his way back to the base to be there for this soldier that he did not know in his time of need.
On the flip side, I've also witnessed a few chaplains completely tarnish the respect that soldiers have for these officers. One in particular was ESL, with Vietnamese as his first language. His lack of English skills completely took away from a memorial service for a fallen comrade not once, but twice. The ability to be understood goes a long way with chaplains.
Overall, each branch of the Army has its nuances. Finding ways to be there for your soldiers and not being an office chaplain will go a long way. My current chaplain is known for walking through the hangars and kicking people out (to include the command team) if he catches them working late. It's a simple gesture that goes a long way.
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Chief, I appreciate all your thoughts. I have never seen a chaplain with a working dog before, but that sounds like an incredible idea. I may have to pursue that in the future. I spent time serving at a UH-60 unit at Fort Hood Texas many years ago. Aviators face unique challenges that are unlike any other branch. It was a privilege to serve that unit. Thanks for your service Chief!
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Well, I have seen many.... some good, some great, some not so good.
I believe the key to your success as a Battalion and as a Brigade Chaplain is to simply be present, and hence accessible. The more you are around: PT, ranges, in the field, on patrol, etc... the more likely Soldiers will want to speak with you... which is what we need. You can help fix a wide variety of issues early before they are in fact issues, if you are always present forward.
Soldiers will not come to your office, unless it is really serious, or the chain of command sends them; Usually your office is in the HQ or Command Suite...
If you desire is serve Soldiers and families, you need to be out and about all the time, and visiting with them in/at their daily comings and goings.
This will also gain you huge amounts or respect, which will also make others you would not expect, come to you for counsel.
I believe the key to your success as a Battalion and as a Brigade Chaplain is to simply be present, and hence accessible. The more you are around: PT, ranges, in the field, on patrol, etc... the more likely Soldiers will want to speak with you... which is what we need. You can help fix a wide variety of issues early before they are in fact issues, if you are always present forward.
Soldiers will not come to your office, unless it is really serious, or the chain of command sends them; Usually your office is in the HQ or Command Suite...
If you desire is serve Soldiers and families, you need to be out and about all the time, and visiting with them in/at their daily comings and goings.
This will also gain you huge amounts or respect, which will also make others you would not expect, come to you for counsel.
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SMSgt Dan Powell
You are right on the mark Colonel. Accessability is most important. My favorite AF Chaplain in Viet Nam was Catholic (I am Protestant) and he was out and about base all the time. As a 20 year old Airman, no way would I go seek out a Chaplain.
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A good chaplain shows that he's willing to talk to Marines regardless of their religious background. We currently have a chaplain that comes down range almost every week and just walks around asking Marines how they are, how their family is, etc. THAT is what a good chaplain does!
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SSGT, thanks for sharing about your chaplain. I have met many good Navy/Marine Corps chaplains over the last eight years. You are exactly right… Every Marine is under that chaplain's care and should be treated exactly the same. Good to hear about a good chaplain doing a great job.
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He tends to the spiritual needs of everyone in the battalion, including his own.
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LT, you bring up a great point. Not only does the chaplain take care of the spiritual needs of all of the men/women under his/her care, but chaplains have to take care of themselves as well. So important to do if the chaplain is going to continue to take care of the people in their unit.
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I had problems with Chaplains.
They were supposed to be able to advise outside of their primary religious focus, I kept getting one denomination who would only advise as though I were an adherent of that denomination. Didn't work for me at all and was very frustrating.
OTOH, the Single best Chaplain I ever met was of that same denomination and knew his stuff from any angle of any denomination. Guy did Ruck marches with load, was in the field and available if you had time. If all chaplains were like him I'd never have a bad world to say about any of them.
They were supposed to be able to advise outside of their primary religious focus, I kept getting one denomination who would only advise as though I were an adherent of that denomination. Didn't work for me at all and was very frustrating.
OTOH, the Single best Chaplain I ever met was of that same denomination and knew his stuff from any angle of any denomination. Guy did Ruck marches with load, was in the field and available if you had time. If all chaplains were like him I'd never have a bad world to say about any of them.
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Joe, I understand your pain. I've often wondered if we shouldn't require chaplains to be prior service so that they would better understand the army. I've met some great ones though that where not. I fall into the latter camp but have worked hard to really understand the world I live and work in. Thanks for sharing.
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CH (CPT) José Massanet
Gunny Strong:
I concur with CH Olson comments. We are here to serve, regardless of faith background, or no faith at all. I hope that you see lees of the bad ones, and more of the good ones serving around.
"Hoorahh"
I concur with CH Olson comments. We are here to serve, regardless of faith background, or no faith at all. I hope that you see lees of the bad ones, and more of the good ones serving around.
"Hoorahh"
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GySgt Joe Strong
Sirs,
Thanks for your understanding, it wasn't really intended to be a gripe but, rather, a notation that the Best Chaplains are the ones who are available, and know enough about other faith groups and are willing and able to effectively guide and counsel outside of their own religious preference.
On availability, often times the informal availability is what the troops need rather than the office hours (I'm sure Command probably forces those in order to have a metric though) at the Chapel, even if the Chapel is a CP Tent.
Thanks for your understanding, it wasn't really intended to be a gripe but, rather, a notation that the Best Chaplains are the ones who are available, and know enough about other faith groups and are willing and able to effectively guide and counsel outside of their own religious preference.
On availability, often times the informal availability is what the troops need rather than the office hours (I'm sure Command probably forces those in order to have a metric though) at the Chapel, even if the Chapel is a CP Tent.
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The first requirement should be that a Chaplain has a good grasp of the English language. Many Soldiers I served with would refuse to attend a seminar or meet with a Chaplain who they cannot understand.
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Right. It's unfortunate to hear this, but I've encountered it multiple times. It's no one's "fault" per se, but I can understand why a Soldier would only give someone one chance.
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I haven't met what I envision as the "best Chaplain", yet CH (MAJ) (Join to see).
Here is what he'd look like to me:
As dirty as the Soldiers he ministered to.
Ready with a smile, or concern.
Ready to help with answers to the unknowable.
Ready to comfort when crisis strikes.
Full of wisdom to guide my Soldiers and commander with issues concerning morale and morals.
Possesed of initiative to find where his services are needed, not waiting for the issues to find him.
Resolute and firm in his convictions, even when they are different from those around him.
Full of knowledge pertaining to the various programs available to those in need, both military and civilian.
Here is what he'd look like to me:
As dirty as the Soldiers he ministered to.
Ready with a smile, or concern.
Ready to help with answers to the unknowable.
Ready to comfort when crisis strikes.
Full of wisdom to guide my Soldiers and commander with issues concerning morale and morals.
Possesed of initiative to find where his services are needed, not waiting for the issues to find him.
Resolute and firm in his convictions, even when they are different from those around him.
Full of knowledge pertaining to the various programs available to those in need, both military and civilian.
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The best... My Chaplain in Guantanamo.. Prior service parachute rigger with senior airborne, HALO, and pathfinder wings. Hands down he was the best SOLDIER in the entire battalion. Spent his lunch time in the gym and evenings learning Greek. Sometimes on Sunday there would be 3 of us at service and he gave the simple message of the good news the same as when the room was full. He took care of his family, lived a transparent life, and was always there for any of us. Gave honesty with care and without judgement. All the troops called him Airborne Jesus.
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CH (MAJ) (Join to see)
Incredible!!! I love hearing of chaplains like this! Airborne Jeseus... PRICELESS
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