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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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I cringe every time I see Congress pushing anything universal for all services. It just doesn't make any sense at all except possibly for fabric manufacturers in some Congressman's district.
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What meant was the same camouflage patterns for all branches instead of having different camo pattern for the same terrain. We never had an issue in the past when we all wore BDU/DCU patterns. All that was really different were the branch tapes.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
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SPC, Can YOU give me one reason that the Navy needs to be in any type of Camo? We have people working on a dark grey Flight Deck, with white, yellow and red stripes all over the place plus Aircraft with various patterns of paint jobs scattered everywhere that are visible down to the square centimeter by satellites. We have people on various decks below that flight deck down to the greasy bilges and shaft alleys on those carriers, Destroyers Cruisers and Ships and Boats of various sizes Plus the ones you never see, The Silent Service. The Boomers and the Attack Submarines and Camo on a sub is just damn ludicrous no matter what the pattern. If you really want to get technical, Camo is a moot point because of Satellite imaging can zero in down to the square centimeter from 400 miles in orbit, and if my some freak of nature you can find yourself back in a land war in the jungles of South East Asia where a Camo pattern just might work again, then that satellite will switch over to a Thermal imaging capability to where it can sense the variation in temperatures of as little as 1/2 a degree. Technology has made Camouflage almost useless in war-fighting, it is just the inability of some to accept FACTS that continues to keep this on the Table. Put the Marines back in the Old Green BDU 's that they have worn through three wars. Change the fabric to a more durable one (if it can be found) Leave the Navy in the Seafarers, leave the Army in the Greens that they wore through three wars and the Air Force in whatever they wore when they finally were cut loose from the Army. IF IT AINT BROKE, LEAVE IT ALONE!
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM Very good point, one only needs to watch Cops on tv. Somehow think small drones with thermal imaging on a battlefield isn't far off.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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Why don't we all just got to Safety Orange and get it all over with.
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PO2 Brad Broerman
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Unless you're a Seal, SeaBee, or medic deployed with the Marines, why does Navy need camo? Dungarees and the blue coveralls were perfect for shipboard life. Similar with Air Force I would imagine. For Marines and Army, It should depend on the mission and the terrain. Get politics out of it, and get a set of patterns that work in specific environments (desert, urban, jungle, forest, arctic, etc) and stick with those.
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SPC Bobby Coble
SPC Bobby Coble
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Get out of here with that logic and common sense stuff. You should know there's no place for that in uniform selection.
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PO2 Tom Belcher
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I think it is an ok idea it would save a lot of money.
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SSgt Carpenter
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If Congress wants all service branches to use the same camo pattern so be it, but it won't save money. The services all buy enough of whatever uniform they use to get bulk pricing.
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LTC Paul Labrador
LTC Paul Labrador
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Actually, it would save money, because then we would be able to stockpile ONE uniform pattern that all services can draw from and use instead of having to stockpile four different stockpiles that cannot be shared.
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In a way, you're both right. One uniform would allow both direct cost *and* logistical savings over current, but while the logistical savings would be enormous (what the LTC was getting at) the direct cost savings would be minimal (though there would be a little) because the existing bulk pricing already trims most of the fat.
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The stupidest thing he Army did when they went to the ACUs is making all their individual equipment in the same pattern. It would have been smarter to do what the Marine Corps did and make it neutral like the coyote brown so it’s interchangeable in theaters. Now that we’re in OCPs, we have to replace perfectly good flak vests, ruck sacks, sleep systems, etc., to a whole new pattern. That or just have mismatched gear until it wears out.
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Well that was one of the reasons why the Army decided to use the UCP pattern is the first place so it would work with the pattern (which was only one at the time). If they were to start over again and still use the digital pattern I would of done a digital/multicam hybrid which a civilian company had already done but was years later.
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SGT James Miller
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Can't do it. Every brach is special. :)
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Lol right? At the path we're going it's only a matter of time until wear our Class A's on the battlefield.
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SSgt Brad Becker
SSgt Brad Becker
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They Did in WW1,
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SSG Roger Ayscue
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Lets go back to Woodland camo BDUs and 3 color DCUs for DirkaDirkastan...It works
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SSG Roger Ayscue
SSG Roger Ayscue
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SSG (Join to see) - If you want the best Combat Uniform I was ever privileged to wear it was the OLD OLD OG-107 Solid OD Green. Best Uniform EVER and it did not show up so good on Night Vision.
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LCpl Darrell J. Farley Jr.
LCpl Darrell J. Farley Jr.
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SSG (Join to see) and all the frigging Velcro!
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LCpl Darrell J. Farley Jr. I understand why the Army went to that route but for over a decade now it has shown not to save money. Down range I get it to sanitize your uniform and put on combat theater related items like IR flags and such. In garrison I think everything should be sewn on. The unit patches is a hit or miss for me. I don't mind then sewn or velcro (hook n loop) on.
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SSG Roger Ayscue The problem with that is the modern enhancements of night vision and thermal technology today. Wearing a pair of solid OD green uniforms would make you stand out under NVG's like if you were wearing an all white suit, laying on a black and white tiled floor. Under generation 1, you could get away with it. Under early generation 2 night vision you could probably get away with it but most likely be seen. Under generation 3 you would stick out like someone waving a chem light in the dark.
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The thing is that the there were multiple tests on different camo patterns over the last 15 years. They constantly have selected winner for every test but for some reason it's never chosen for actual use. Hell, Multicam has been around since what, 2001? Yet we didn't see it go mainstream until roughly 2010 by regular units in theater. So much resources and money has already been wasted constantly over these things. One of the major reasons I asked this too is because the Army is switching over to Scorpion W2 (modified Multicam between Crye and the Army) and I would hate to spend a lot of coin on new uniforms (boots, sox, belts, t-shirts, and patches under the new tan 499 color) just to find out that we're all changing to another pattern in just a few short years. We're already having to buy the new black PT uniforms which can rack up a lot of coin as well.
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LtCol Paul Bowen
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Congress doesn't have a "Battalion" that jumps in ahead of the Warriors...so camouflage patterns are none of their business.
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