Posted on May 25, 2016
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During an APFT, there is no requirement to measure/survey a 2 mile course prior to the APFT. Is there a regulation that would disqualify the entire APFT?
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MSG Intelligence Senior Sergeant/Chief Intelligence Sergeant
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As long as it is measured, and usually they are constructed to industry standard, it is good. I usually use GPS and a measuring wheel to check. If you wanted to dispute the measurement, I would recommend the HHC/D command team be brought in for arbitration. They would probably make the determination that, as long as it is reasonably close, it is good. That is what command authority gives them. I don't think folks use pace count to check any more. Lol. Most NCOs will validate before the event.
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While in Afghanistan (KAF) we did the 2 mile run/2.5 mile walk on a section of road that was dirt/sand with huge potholes, gravel, rocks, and was not level. Whoever was in charge of briefing the turn-around point didn't do such a great job. The person manning the turn-around point for the 2.5 mile walk used the wrong distance marker that was 1/8 mile past the 1/4 mile marker, so we ended up doing a 2.75 mile walk. I came in with 15 seconds to spare, whereas I usually come in with about 4 minutes to spare.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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Honestly, I don't think so. I believe as long as it's within a certain deviation range it's acceptable. I know some trails are slightly longer while some are shorter, but it always counts as the same trail. You'd probably be best talking to the people who actually monitor your APFT because their the ones who run the scores.
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MAJ Military Personnel And Administrative Specialist
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FM 21-20 states that the test site should be "a flat, 2-mile running course with a solid surface and no more than a three-percent grade. (Commanders must use good judgement; no one is expected to survey terrain.)" and TC 3-22-20, A-16 states there is no requirement to survey the course.
"The APFT must be administered properly and to standard in order to accurately evaluate a soldier's physical fitness and to be fair to all soldiers." FM 21-20
If there is a significant difference in run/walk times, I suggest you bring it up to your chain of command and request that the course route be measured. The commander should want to be fair to everyone and ensure standards are being met. The commander could throw out the tests if there is cause/you can prove there is something wrong with the course.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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CSM Darieus Z. about 5 hours
Relatively flat? I thought it was to be no more than a 3% grade.

You are spot on it does say that, and has for a LONG time.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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1SG (Join to see) - That's true, however, his point is still valid, FM 7-22 has the same statement.
Sound judgment must be used in the selection of a 2-mile run course. There is no requirement to survey 2-mile run courses;

Perhaps that's what you intended to convey...and it mistakenly came off as rude and unhelpful.
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Yes SGM, was just conveying the fact that the wrong FM was referenced . I wasn't trying to be an ass but , I understand why it would of looked that way.
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Thank you both. Yes I should have included/cited the new FM 7-22 as well. The end state is the same, the verbiage has not changed in regards to the run route being surveyed. It doesn't change my recommendation to the Soldier.
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SGT Dave Tracy
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I would be curious if you get a solid answer. Several years ago, I had a platoon sergeant who routinely had us run our APFT about 200 meters longer than an actual 2 mile.
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SFC Joseph Weber
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Everyone gets better times.
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I'm surprised this would even happen. We wheel measure APFT courses all the time. We also contacted diagnostic APFT to ensure soldier knew where they stood against the standards and regulation. Coach them how to improve. Something is wrong in the unit if you are just showing up to a previously marked track with out verifying it. I've seen tracks with multiple marking for quarter miles and half miles. The track should also be marked for the 2.5 miles if there are profiled walkers taking the alternate APFT.
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My former unit took PT test at Hastings, Nebraska NG training center and we had about the same story. Some of us finished PT test "suspiciously" too early than expected and right after we stopped someone yelled us (those of us who supposedly finished the run) to keep running one more lap because someone forgot to tell NCOIC for the 2 mile run that it was supposed to be 4 laps and not 3.
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Ran an APFT while in the guard. The course was very hilly and went right by a flooded pond. You could either run deeper into the water or down a large ditch, or you could stay on the track and run through 100 yds of 3 to 6in deep water. Amazingly everyone dropped a couple of minutes yet no one seemed to care about how it would impact soldiers records or promotion points.
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1LT Michael Jay
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Wow...really! If the person to the left and right passed the r7n on the same track. Then look inside yourself. I see alot of comments regarding what FM, 3% incline, flat surface and if should be measure everytime. Respectfully! Everyone that has been in the Military over ten year has conducted a 2 mile run on inclines soft, hard .. etc. We passed because we wanted to...needed to. Most importantly the person to our side passed.
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How far off are you talking about? A few feet or even a few yards is only a second or two at the finish were almost every one I know takes it to the end in a full on sprint. If a soldier is pushing it that close, then they need to work on their run.

I find it somewhat amusing that we are talking about small measurements for the run distance while folks are counting push-ups with butts lifting off the mat or extending the leg angle past 90 degrees. Or those push-ups near the end of time that are not even close to maintaining a "generally straight line".
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Edited 9 y ago
Sorry, wrong comment box.
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