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SN Greg Wright
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Going overboard is a scary thing, particularly in an ocean. I can attest to this when a small 2-man sailboat I was on flipped. Both I and the other guy (a PO1) were tossed clear, then the boat righted itself, as it was made to do. We both had life jackets and were good swimmers, so we were fine. But, on larger ships, what does the crew do when someone goes over?

If someone observes the Sailor go over (the situation with the greatest odds for survival for the poor bastard) the person is to immediately shout ‘MAN OVERBOARD TO PORT (or STARBOARD)’ as loud as possible and repeatedly until s/he hears it picked up by others. The initial person is to point, AND KEEP POINTING without ever taking their eyes off the victim for the duration of the rescue, as best they can. Next, someone will immediately throw life rings overboard. These typically have dye markers and salt-water-activated chemlights (or strobe lights) attached to them. If the victim is lucky enough to be wearing a life vest, (contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of professional sailors on large ships, Military or Civilian only wear life vests for specific evolutions) nearly all of them have whistles attached. If they were that lucky, you can be sure you’ll be hearing that.

Since most modern large ships can take significant distances to stop, even with full stop (or even reverse), it’s generally not practical to simply stop and go looking for the victim. Instead, the bridge team, upon hearing the man-overboard, will maintain the speed they’re at, and put the rudder hard over IN THE DIRECTION THE PERSON FELL overboard. (Hard over means, as far as it will go, typically 35 degrees on most ships). This accomplishes two objectives -- it kicks the stern away from the person (hopefully in time on big ships), which is important in order to lessen the likelihood of the victim being sucked into the screws, and it sets up the next required evolution: a Williamson Turn, which is a maneuver named after Naval officer John Williamson, who came up with the technique. The helmsman will hold the rudder hard over until the ship is 60 degrees off the original course, and will then swing the rudder hard over to the opposite direction. When the ship is roughly 20 degrees off the reciprocal course, the rudder is put amidship (zero degrees) and the vessel will coast to the 180 reciprocal. Slight rudder adjustments will be made to ensure that the ship arrives upwind and alongside of the victim. Life boats will then be launched to recover the victim, if all goes well.

It should be noted that on most large Navy ships that have helo’s embarked, they will likely go that route, (or both. Though I doubt a Carrier would do the Williamson. Perhaps some Navy SM’s can comment).
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PO3 Sherry Thornburg
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There was a page in one of my dad's ship year books dedicated to a sailor who disappeared during his flight deck watch and was never found. Biggest problem is that if you aren't noticed missing quickly, you are fish food. (Another sea sailor's words, not mine)
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PO2 Mark Saffell
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We had two jet jockies punch out 50 miles aft of the ship at 0200 half way between The PI and Hawaii due to a fire on the A6. Talk about making certain things draw up...wow.
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PO1 John Miller
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Surprisingly over the course of a 20 year career I can only recall one man overboard. USS Nimitz during flight ops. Guy was working the flight deck so luckily he had a float coat on. He was relatively new and wasn't watching what he was doing and backed off the flight deck. Luckily we recovered him and he was none the worse for wear, save a salt water bath.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
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We had one during flight ops. Ruptered his splene. and one guy jumped because he got busted with pot and wanted to set up an I'm crazy defense...That didnt work so well. He punched the rescue swimmer and jumped out of the Helo. Last I heard of him he was being sent back to the US for Hard Labor and a Bad Conduct Discharge
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PO1 John Miller - Hey I didn't see this response for some reason. Belated up-vote! lol. Don't forget the best perk, though: your own stateroom and shower lol.
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PO1 John Miller
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I think I told you before, but I was stationed on the USNS Pecos for 2 years as part of the MILDEPT/Military Department.

Lil ol' RM3 Miller had his own stateroom, though since I was in "crew" staterooms I had to "gasp" SHARE A HEAD WITH ONE OTHER PERSON!!! But just the toilet & shower. I had a sink & mirror in my stateroom.

I also had a dorm fridge in my room, and I can neither confirm nor deny that there "may" have been a 12 pack of beer at all times in said fridge!
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PO1 John Miller - Heh. I hear you. The USNS ships still have 2, 3 times the crew that straight-up civmar ships do. Of course, since they do a shit-ton more than move from point a to b. So I'm surprised (and pleased) that you wound up with a stateroom. The shared head used to be pretty standard for us on ships built, say, in the early 90's ish. However, the staterooms themselves were GIANT compared to the Naval version. And ships nowadays, 2, 3 times the size of a bird farm, with 30 people...it's rare to even share a head.
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LTC Stephen C.
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Very interesting information, SN Greg Wright. Many thanks!
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Not so sure, Greg, what the purpose is when posting a question, like you did, that you then proceed to offer up an answer to it which is so complete that the answer itself begs the question: why did you ask in the first place??? There seems to be quite a lot of that on RP. BTW, your last sentence...don't ask a Signalman (SM) about anything for which a Quartemaster (QM) is the undisputed expert!!! And there have been no SMs since 2003 when the rate was disestablished and existing SMs were absorbed into newly created Operational rates.
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Ah, Senior, the SM in this contest is Serving Member, like the RP Tag. As for why I posted in the manner I did, it was simply to share info that I thought the broader (non-Navy) community might find interesting.
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Just one of the many continuing, structural and procedural issues with this site.
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SN Greg Wright
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SCPO (Join to see) - You won't get any argument from me, there.
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SN Greg Wright
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Can someone from Rallypoint please explain to me why this perfectly valid question was moved to updates? Without so much as a notification to me? This one really chaps my ass. This is a perfectly good question. It's very frustrating because I spent a good amount of time on this one. It's discouraging, and makes me think that spending my time to post things like this is pointless.


LTC Yinon Weiss SSG Carlos Madden SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" Capt Brandon Charters SGM Erik Marquez COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SGM Erik Marquez
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SN Greg Wright You have had your question (see what i did there...lol) answered, but one more thing for thought.
Your post was a update, no more until the VERY LAST line "Perhaps some Navy SM’s can comment."
That in my Admin mind is the ONLY thing that validated it as a question, one that you were seeking a crowd sourced answer or input to. Prior to that it read like you just wanted to share some very good information you had.. But that is what made it an update, not a question...till the end.
Thanks for sharing the experience you have.
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SGM Erik Marquez - This will sound snide, SGM, but I don't mean for it to: Why didn't the "What happens when a Sailor goes overboard?" hit your 'question metric'?
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SGM Erik Marquez
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SN Greg Wright - Because YOU answered that question yourself... You did not indicate you wanted ANY input for response from others till the very last ,line of your post.
Again in hindsight it is clear you wanted to share what you knew and seek responses from others on the discussion, thank you.
I have no doubt it was clear in YOUR mind that was what you wanted all along.. as the history and reaction from several admins charged with making these decision shows it was not clear to us in reading what you posted. No harm, no foul.. hope both learned something form your post on top of what the ship commander is going to be doing if a fat old retired Army guys falls off his ship some day.
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Another massive problem with this ADMIN thing is that one Admin will just walk on by your post and another will change it to an update. There is little consistency in how the system works when dealing with individuals who bring their own ideas to the table.
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Sailor gets wet
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PO2 Marty Sharpe
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BHR CVA 31 did a Williamson in the Tonkin and it worked perfectly.
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PO2 Marty Sharpe
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Has anyone here seen it done for real. I have in the Tonkin Gulf. CVA 31. The airdales got it right.
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SN Greg Wright thanks for the share shipmate. I'm reminded from my second to my last underway where on one of our Workup for the Big E someone fell overboard got it took about a little over an hour to find him because it was roughly just after midnight it sucked turns out the guy was trying to commit suicide.
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