Posted on Oct 18, 2023
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The other day when POTUS announced a trip to Israel in the middle of IDF combat preparations I was having coffee with some other veterans and non-veterans when these topics came up:
- Hey if HAMAS has a huge supply of rockets and Air Force 1 is on the ground and they launch say 150 of the missiles, what if the IRON Dome cannot catch them all and the plane is hit and destroyed on the ground in Israel?
- Would the Congress have the stomach and the courage to elect a Speaker NOW so that POTUS could request a Declaration of War as FDR did on 08 Dec 1941?
- Would VPOTUS Harris in the absence of a stranded or incapacitated POTUS be able to act to quickly work with Congressional leadership to respond, especially if the 25th Amendment required invoking?
- Would Defense then work immediately and closely with HLS to secure (i.e., seal) the US Borders and track down unvetted immigrants for deportation, especially if some are discovered to have Cartel or other adverse ties that could threaten the “…domestic tranquility…” to “…provide for the "...common defense…” of the USA?
- Would the Israeli PM confide in POTUS their plans to handle HAMAS (Why? or Why Not?)
These are just a few of the topics that arose. While each of us participated in this ‘lively discussion’ around these and other current topics, it was interesting to see how the media and social media were also responding. What are the thoughts of the RP family.
As always, please keep responses focused and respectfully to others willing to participate in this thread. Looking forward to understanding the pulse of the RP family on these few questions………………….
PS Located this commentary regarding "2018 Human Shield Legislation" (https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/biden-admin-ignores-law-to-sanction-hamas-and-hezbollah-for-civilian-shield-use-lawmakers-say). Humm! Why create legislation if it is NOT going to be acted upon. Terrorists, drug lords, criminals in general, and so "so-called - peaceful rioters" all deploy the tactic using human shields. If the law is not going to be used what difference does it make to have.
- Hey if HAMAS has a huge supply of rockets and Air Force 1 is on the ground and they launch say 150 of the missiles, what if the IRON Dome cannot catch them all and the plane is hit and destroyed on the ground in Israel?
- Would the Congress have the stomach and the courage to elect a Speaker NOW so that POTUS could request a Declaration of War as FDR did on 08 Dec 1941?
- Would VPOTUS Harris in the absence of a stranded or incapacitated POTUS be able to act to quickly work with Congressional leadership to respond, especially if the 25th Amendment required invoking?
- Would Defense then work immediately and closely with HLS to secure (i.e., seal) the US Borders and track down unvetted immigrants for deportation, especially if some are discovered to have Cartel or other adverse ties that could threaten the “…domestic tranquility…” to “…provide for the "...common defense…” of the USA?
- Would the Israeli PM confide in POTUS their plans to handle HAMAS (Why? or Why Not?)
These are just a few of the topics that arose. While each of us participated in this ‘lively discussion’ around these and other current topics, it was interesting to see how the media and social media were also responding. What are the thoughts of the RP family.
As always, please keep responses focused and respectfully to others willing to participate in this thread. Looking forward to understanding the pulse of the RP family on these few questions………………….
PS Located this commentary regarding "2018 Human Shield Legislation" (https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/biden-admin-ignores-law-to-sanction-hamas-and-hezbollah-for-civilian-shield-use-lawmakers-say). Humm! Why create legislation if it is NOT going to be acted upon. Terrorists, drug lords, criminals in general, and so "so-called - peaceful rioters" all deploy the tactic using human shields. If the law is not going to be used what difference does it make to have.
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The thought of Kamala Harris stepping in...she is incapable of stepping up...
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TSgt James Warfield
PVT Ted Rodosovich - What about Regan? Could he have the onset of dementia or Alzheimer while in office. Yes most likely, since he acknowledged he had it just a few years after leaving office. That is the problem with this disease, it often starts out with small things. It's been debated many times and will most like continue for years to come. However Regan showed no signs in public as President Biden. I just watched a news clips of him wondering off from the podium after speech, like a young child. My dad did that in the last phase of fighting this horrible disease. I will keep saying it, those who are keeping directing him are very horrible people, to do this to this man. Making him a mockery in the public and to the world.
With Dementia and Alzheimer on the rise amongst older folks and some younger, we need a safe and fair way to evaluate all are leaders, to include, congress, the Military, and any other governments agency where a person has the power to change major things, and be used by devious people for their own gain.
With Dementia and Alzheimer on the rise amongst older folks and some younger, we need a safe and fair way to evaluate all are leaders, to include, congress, the Military, and any other governments agency where a person has the power to change major things, and be used by devious people for their own gain.
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SSgt Mary Dungan
You are incorrect sir. VP Harris is capable of stepping in if God forbid something happened to the president. She is intelligent and capable, and I get damn tired of people dissing her and any powerful, smart women like her. Joe Biden is not in the beginning stage of dementia. i saw and talked with him when he was in Vegas a few weeks ago, and talked to the VP the week before. I had last talked to him face-to-face in 2016. The haters can think whatever they want. They don't care about the truth. I remember Reagan having Alzheimer's in the later part of his last term. Trump is losing his mind, not Joe.
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I highly doubt this would never happen for a lot of reasons but probably the most obvious one would be "why?" They'd gain almost nothing compared to what they'd have to lose.
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SSG Carlos Madden
CPO Nate S. - It is possible? Sure. But given that the main argument here is "just because" and given the stakes, I'd put the probability of an almost seemingly random act like that at just about null.
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CPO Nate S.
SSG Carlos Madden - Understood! Part of my disaster planning background emerges, because as a "disaster response planner" looking a event the "crazy scenarios" is part of just being prepared when in the thick of things. Stakes are high, but some, in my experience just seem not care.
It is "...seem not cares..." that when such happens people are suppressed about and continue to ask "Why?" time after time after time when things repeat. During the Yom Kippur War of 1973 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War), Jews did not think they would be attacked during the High Holidays, but they were. That changed strategic thinking and response planning for MANY years.
I was just 2 years from joining the Navy at that time and remember it well!
History is cruel teacher, and when ignored its cruelness is often exponential. Just saying.....
It is "...seem not cares..." that when such happens people are suppressed about and continue to ask "Why?" time after time after time when things repeat. During the Yom Kippur War of 1973 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War), Jews did not think they would be attacked during the High Holidays, but they were. That changed strategic thinking and response planning for MANY years.
I was just 2 years from joining the Navy at that time and remember it well!
History is cruel teacher, and when ignored its cruelness is often exponential. Just saying.....
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PO2 Stephen Cline
CPO Nate S. - Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. That is what is happening here and now.
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1. Attacking AF1 would require precision targeting. Hamas and Hezbollah would need specific intelligence tailored for fires (which does not fit their capabilities).
2. Hamas and Hezbollah rockets are unreliable for point targeting. The explosion at Gaza hospital may have from a misfire.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-islamic-jihad-rocket-misfire-caused-gaza-hospital-blast/
2. Hamas and Hezbollah rockets are unreliable for point targeting. The explosion at Gaza hospital may have from a misfire.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-islamic-jihad-rocket-misfire-caused-gaza-hospital-blast/
Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital
After Hamas, Arab states blame Israel, IDF says analysis shows errant rocket fired by Gazan terror group hit Al-Ahli hospital's parking lot; videos appear to back Israel's position
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
I doubt he would be stuck there. The Navy has a Task Force offshore, I do not know the number. Send a COD to pick him p, become Navy One and fly him back to the carrier. AFAIK, he would be the third POTUS to land on a carrier in a fixed wing aircraft.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
CPO Nate S. - He's there and nothing happened at this point so...kind of all moot now.
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CPO Nate S.
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - True! But when we consider something "moot", is the beginning of our "sleepy time". How many times in the history of warfare has "something not happened" ONLY to have that "something" later when defenses are weaken by complacence and acceptance of the argument - "...well nothing happened last time..."?
Just saying...............
Just saying...............
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