Posted on Oct 22, 2018
Zachary Taylor
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I'm currently one year away from finishing my Computer Engineering degree. I realized through my time here that a desk job is not a job that I would like to pursue. However, I would like to use my degree in the field. I want to join special forces as a combat engineer specializing in electronics/demolition with my degree. Is there a way I can become a warrant officer in special forces with this degree? I originally was going to go through OCS and become a commissioned officer but I ultimately don't want to be stuck behind a desk in my career and would prefer to stay in the special forces team on the field. I was personally thinking MARSOC or Rangers. Does anyone have advice on the route I should take to get to special forces with a Computer Engineering degree?
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To be an officer on a special forces oda you need to reach the rank of CPT and then apply. You can’t come into the Army as a captain. Now if you want to come in as an 18X and hope they assign you as a 18C you can do that but your degree has no bearing on whether or not you get it.
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Isn't it a first lieutenant promotable O-2 (P) to Captain who has already completed the captain's career course?
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Sir, I have heard that before as well but I can’t remember if they need to have completed captains career course of have completed successful command time.
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SFC (Join to see) you are probably right. My situation was circa 2006.
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CPT Information Management Office (Imo)
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Yes, as a 1LTP you can go to SFAS or "challenge the REC" in the guard and then go. You'll be promoted during the Q. And no, you wouldn't do CCC before you go, the 18A q course IS your CCC.
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I would recommend you join ROTC in college. Get your commission in the active duty or in the National Guard. Become a combat engineer or regular engineer, complete your platoon leaders time and or executive officer of a company or do a staff position. One alternative you may want to do is to join civil Affairs or psychological operations. Both of them are sister units of Special Forces and they work alongside Special Forces. They even work in the same school house. Normally you get into those as a functional area a secondary job )you will have to shift over to the Army Reserve to do that. You could join special forces in the National Guard but if you want to join psychological operations are civil Affairs after being turned down I'm from your special forces application, then switch over to the Army Reserve. Some civil Affairs & psychological operations units are airborne. This way, you can have your cake and eat it too and maintain a civilian job all while pursuing your dream.

United States Army Civil Affairs and Psychological Operations Command https://g.co/kgs/AKgphT
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Unless you are planning on flying, there is no way to come off the street and come in as a Warrant Officer. Look at the Warrant Officer Recruiting page for more info.
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Only exception is through Presidential appointment, although so very rarely used by the CiC.....
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What is a route to join special forces with a degree in computer engineering?
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1. Join signal as an officer (2LT to start)
2. Train, get acclimated, do shit.
3. Put in for SFAS when 1LTP, get selected.
4. Q-course, 25A -> 18A.
5. Finish Q, be CPT/18A, which will have next to nothing to do with CE, but you will have a cool resume.
6. Done.
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To actually be a member on a team no and yes. To be a support personnel yes.
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Zachary Taylor
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Sir, what do you deem is the best route for me to take to actually be part on a team? I would like to join the Rangers at some point but would like have as much field time as possible. I though of joining as an officer and joining as I heard anything from O-1 to O-4 is eligible. However, I also heard that I only would be able to be out on the field for 2-3 years. I ideally would like to have as much field time as I could without enlisting. I thought entering as an 11A till O-3 then trying to join the rangers would would be about 4 years. Then the time with the rangers would be around 3 years till I am planning missions instead of being on them. Is there a route where I could stay on the field as an officer or warrant officer?
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I think what the good sergeant means is for you to utilize your CE degree - which is also what I have....you can be a support personnel. I am the IMO (information mgmt officer) - very much ce related. On a team - you'd have be to an 18E - and even then its "sort of" related...but not really. It would help, yes. But again - you'd be enlisted. (not what the E stands for in 18E). If you want to be an officer - you'll be an 18A - and have very little if anything to do with computer engineering - other than bugging me on a mob to give you wifi in your quarters. My answer is already no - because I'm streaming netflix and I'm a selfish bastard.
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It sounds like you have done a little bit of research, but not enough to really know what you want or are getting into. I highly recommend you read the book Chosen Soldier by Dick Couch.

https://www.amazon.com/Chosen-Soldier-Making-Special-Warrior/dp/ [login to see]

That will give you enough background into what SF is to determine if that's the route you want to go.

It seems like you want a combination of things that can't happen. If you are an SF 18C (engineering sergeant), then you will have a lot of knowledge of demolitions, but little focus on electronics/computer engineering. If you are an 18E (communications sergeant), you will primarily deal more with electronics/computer engineering (but not to the extent that your degree will have prepared you for), but will have less of a focus on demolitions. However, a team cross-trains and everyone on the ODA will know some about and work with both electronics and demolitions.

After a number of years as an SF NCO, you might have the opportunity to become a 180A, but then your focus will be on being the assistant detachment commander - you will be second in command on an ODA and will no longer focus on either communications or demolition but rather on mission planning and leading.

It all depends on what you want to do. If you have any specific questions about being in SF or what the process is after reading the book I recommended, feel free to reach out and I'll answer as best I can.
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Zachary Taylor
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Sir, thank you for the response. After further research today I believe the route I would take is enlist with my degree as an 18X MOS. I hope to get an 18C or 18E. After further research into each special operations group, Green Berets/Special Forces intrigues me the most. Unconventional warfare and teaching insurgencies seems like a path I'd like to take. Any opinion on this path/advice? Thank you very much sir it is appreciated.
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Zachary Taylor it’s a good path, just be aware that with an 18X contract if you don’t make it into SF, you’re stuck as needs of the army for the rest of your enlistment.
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Zachary Taylor
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MAJ (Join to see) Sir, thank you. I'll be sure to make failure not an option. Any advice in terms of my training? I'm currently a certified scuba diver. I run 18-25 miles a week, swim around 2-3 miles, and strength train 3 times a week. I alternate between long distance, long interval, and short interval training now.
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Zachary Taylor Read the book I recommended. Selection is more mental and interpersonal than physical. That doesn’t mean it won’t be one of the hardest physical things you’ve done, but that the mental stress and need to be a proactive team player are even more important.
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The most expeditious route is the Active Component’s 18X program or the Army National Guard does the REP 63 enlistments. At the initial stages of your training, your degree will only entitle you to an advanced promotion to E4. You’ll attend Infantry OSUT (Basic Training and AIT together), Airborne School, and then you report to Bragg. There is a Special Operations Prep Course SOPC in there and you’ll get your moment in Special Forces Assessment and Selection (SFAS).

If you are selected, you will continue on to the Special Forces Qualification Course pipeline. You will get a wish list, but your assigned job will be needs of the Army. (I have noticed the ARNG a little easier to get what you want.) If you are not selected, you will start your Enlisted service as an Infantryman.

I am sure you didn’t know any better, but you mentioned 5 or 6 different jobs. MARSOC and Rangers are not Special Forces. They are Special Operations. I know, it sounds hokie to make the correction, but there is only 1 Special Forces. MARSOC is not part of the Army either, so you’d have to discuss their pipeline with a Marine. If Computer Engineering is your forte, then I recommend pursuing 18E Special Forces Communications Sergeant. After a MINIMUM of 3 years on an ODA, you would be eligible to apply for the 180A Special Forces Warrant Officer program. 180’s aren’t electronic/demolitions specialists, but your previous time as an 18E would make you a good mentor as you serve as an Asst Commander or even as a Det Commander.

There are Special Mission Units that focus on Signal Intelligence, Cyber, etc. As an 18E, you’d be a strong candidate for some of those programs. Of course, they don’t provide brochures for RallyPoint, but once you are in and successful in your training, the full menu becomes available.

Good Luck!
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Zachary Taylor
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Sir, thank you for the response it was very thorough. Yes, I was aiming towards Special Operations. I wasn't even aware that a degree would advance my rank in enlisted. This sounds like the best path for me. Thank you!
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Enlist on an 18X contract. Ideally you would end up 18E with your background.
Then you can spend at least three years on an ODA and apply for the warrant program, or go to OCS, spend your 2LT and 1LT time somewhere else, then apply for SF again.
Or you can just apply straight to OCS, and apply for SF when you are an eligible 1LT(P).
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I think you should do a bit more research. Special Forces is an Army organization, MARSOC and Rangers doesn't offer what you want.
You want to research 75th Rangers, Special Forces, SEALS, MARSOC, Combat Air Controllers and Para rescue. Special forces will allow you to become a warrant later in your career. Your computer engineering degree doesn't really apply, but it will help if you go to 18E SF commo SGT. There is no guarantee that's the MOS you'll get if you pass Selection.
Have a backup plan. Statistically, you probably won't make it.
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Just a thought, but why don’t you take those computer skills to the Agency, DIA, or the Bureau? There are more ways to serve the Nation operationally than just special ops...
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