Posted on Oct 5, 2016
What is the best way to tell your unit that you in no way shape or form want an ETS award from them?
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First off, wow kinda surprised this generated any response at all. I was looking more for a "oh hey, just do this memorandum and it's all done." kind of a deal. Anyways as for context, awards here go through about 15 or more corrections for non-grammatical issues. The award hasn't been written yet and I would probably end up writing it anyways. I just don't want to waste anyone's time or my own for that matter with writing an award that a civilian company cares not a whit about that just going to get kicked back over and over and over. I know what I have done and I honestly don't care much for recognition. I'd rather see some of my Soldiers get credited as they go on to do bigger and better things. Do I also have other motivations for not wanting an award yes because there have been several things that have left a bad taste, but I didn't post this to air my dirty laundry, I was just simply looking for advice. Thanks all for the numerous replies. Most were pretty entertaining, and a few were even helpful.
Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
Responses: 350
If you honestly want to get recognition for your soldiers, write them letters of continuity for their ETS/PCS awards so the don't get handed a blank 638 for their input from a new NCO.
Recommend that you reconsider accepting a ETS award. CPL Wilfred Roberge put it far more eloquently than I could.
Recommend that you reconsider accepting a ETS award. CPL Wilfred Roberge put it far more eloquently than I could.
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Be gracious. Accept the award and use that opportunity to thank them but highlight the ones you believe are more deserving of the credit.
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I'm a little hazey on this one. Being Navy, I don't recall an "ETS" award. We had plenty of awards that weren't worth anything. I'm supposing this like a participation award? How about a brief on this one for an old squid-dog.
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So I went through this has I was retiring. My DD214 appointment was fast approaching so I kept bugging my S1 for it. I was assured it was coming along fine and then the day of my DD214 appointment comes along and, not only is the award not finished but it got kicked back has a rewrite to a lower award. Needless to say I just told them and my BC not to worry about it since I already had a couple of those awards and I needed to have it that day for my final DD214. They all thought I was ungrateful but having another of an award that I already had really didn't mean anything and it's not like I am going to wear the award on a uniform again.
I have been out for nearly three months and every time I talk to my BC he says they are still working on it. I still think they are wasting their time and could be doing other things. But, what do I know?
I have been out for nearly three months and every time I talk to my BC he says they are still working on it. I still think they are wasting their time and could be doing other things. But, what do I know?
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I can relate to this question. I was offered an ARCOM as a retirement award after 20 years of service. It was insulting to say the least, so I declined my final NCOER and did not attend the retirement ceremony. For you, I believe the best way to do this would be to simply tell your 1SG/Commander. Sometimes, there is no way around receiving a sh#t award because it is "part of the out-processing process".
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For someone who just starting his military career i don't have much say in this matter. As someone who wants to become an officer i'd say take every award you can get even a participation award unfortunately the only way the army recognizes anyone is if their name is on a certificate. As a sgt you know you cant do any thing in the army with out a piece of paper. An ETS award may just be a paper saying hey you didnt screw up but is still considered an award their are civilian jobs that will look at that greatly and hire you because you completed something that not a lot of people can say they completed
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Have been retired from USMC over 30 years. Haven't kept up with Army abbreviations. What is ETS?
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When I got back from Iraq a few buddies and I got downgraded awards to AAM. We spent most of our deployment outside the wire. The POGS who spent their whole deployment on base got ARCOMs and of course all of the e-7 and above got the bronze star. My buddy threw his in the trash and I would have too but they lost mine lol. I never received anything. They made me walk up there and not receive a fucking thing. I ETS'd soon after and left all that behind me.
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When I got out I told my 1SG directly I don't want some ETS award. It wouldn't help me get a career in the civilian world. He argued with me for a while saying it's important to get one. I eventually said fine just to get it over with but when it came time for my last day, it was still in S-1. Ended up not getting one and just shaking hands with the leadership. Lol
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being honored wearing the bluecord is the only thing i cared about recieving.. im proud of it, i dont want medals, there not necessary. i did my job, plain and simple, im just a simple soldier that followed orders that served in the greatest military on earth.
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When I got out I declined my ETS award. I walked in and talked to my CO and 1SG and explained I hated getting awards and did not want one. They knew from previous times I was put in for awards and was pissed and respected my wishes. I am a firm believer in just being upfront, respectful and honest. Always worked in my 10 years in.
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I think that throwing he award in a waste basket is a bit drastic, but I do believe a service member should have the right to refuse an award or medal if he or she sees fit to do so.
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Take the award and move on. Didn't get an ETS award when I was getting out in the early 80's
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I think it is safe to say we have all had good and bad leaders during our time of service. Awards have been given out for the right reasons, and the wrong reasons. But what we all have to agree on is that their is a thing called respect. One thing I had a SFC tell me when I was a private is that you do not have to respect me as a person, but you will respect my rank. I thought about that long, and hard. I would think that as a leader it would mean more to you to have your soldiers respect you as a person then the rank you wear. Job #1 as a Non-Commissioned Officer is accomplishment of my mission, and then the well fare of my soldiers. I believe that is backward because without your soldiers you can not accomplish your mission. Now you are probably asking what does this have to do with receiving an award? I went from E-1 to E-6, and back down to E-4. A lot of my trouble came from not changing with the times. I did not go along, so I did not get along. From E-1 to E-4 your career is defined by what you do. Once you are a leader of soldiers, your career is defined by what your soldiers do. If you are a good leader your soldiers will follow you through the gates of hell, and give their lives for you. If you are a POS leader your soldiers will leave you flapping in the wind. You want your soldiers to see that even though you have issues with the CoC, you still have military bearing. Until you are officially signed out you are still a soldier. I did not need ribbons, medals, awards, certificates, or any recognition for my service. If I deployed and all of my soldiers made it home alive, and not wounded, then that was my award. Because as a leader my soldiers were the most important thing to me. I was responsible for them. Anything the unit gave me, whether earned or not I respectfully accepted and moved on. I made sure that when I was given the floor that I thanked those that made it possible for me to receive this award, that would be those supporting you (your family, and your soldiers). Do not forget that without your subordinates that you are not a leader your are just a soldier.
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