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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
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Turned on "Last Ship" with high hopes! The Skipper tells the XO about the unmanned fueling stations off the coast of France as a way to get gas. Turned off "Last Ship" and never watched it again.
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CPO Bernie Penkin
CPO Bernie Penkin
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I like watching the last ship, BUT I have to suspend all reality of bridge operations from my mind. The biggest error is the JO performing the nav plot instead of the enlisted Quartermasters. It seems that almost every job handled by an enlisted technician is done by an officer.

I could not handle watching Jag! That was so over the top wrong on so many levels.
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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I could not watch MASH. I had respect for the medics and doctors we saw and I really doubt they were having that much fun. We never had a drunk medic or doctor on duty or out in the field. The problem is so many people really believed that was war.
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PO2 Mike Shorey
PO2 Mike Shorey
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How about the CO/CNO going out and playing soldier all the time.
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SMSgt Keith Klug
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The worst one I can remember was in the movie "Iron Eagles" with Lou Gossett Jr. He steals a Priority "A" (at the time)/Protection Level 1 aircraft by intimidating an Air Force Security Specialist (Security Police/Forces) into letting him and a civilian access to the aircraft. In real life, he would have been put on the ground and then cuffed. Arguing would have only gotten him "butt stroked" with the stock of the M-16.

Another one is Security Force Members coming in and taking over for NASA engineers in "Armageddon". I guess I missed the training on that one.
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SSG Pete Fleming
SSG Pete Fleming
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They always pull the intimidation card, if the hero needs something... and the secret government agents take control because well they are trained in all things better than those with years of experience.
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Capt Michael Greene
Capt Michael Greene
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SMSgt Keith Klug I've been getting into restricted areas all my life just by looking like I belonged there. But this one surprised me: I wanted to show my friends a crashed F-4 next to the runway at Clark AB. So we drove up in a little truck, and I saw the crash site roped off and guarded. Obviously we weren't going to get in, but I pulled up to the guard anyway. The guard asked for my pass, and while I was head-down looking through my wallet, the cop smacked the side of my truck and pretended that I had run over his foot. The surprised look on my face made the guard crack up laughing--then he waved us in to the crash site.
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SFC Dr. Fred Lockard
SFC Dr. Fred Lockard
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As a soldier I always wondered if it was that easy to steal an F16!
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Sgt Randy Harrison
Sgt Randy Harrison
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It bothered me that in Iron Eagle they pronounced Ramstein AB "Ramsteen".. it was a Golan-Globus production, after all!
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Maj Mike Sciales
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Showing all these fabulously squared away civilians in the NCIS working all these crimes from one room in LA, or DC or New Orleans. No other agents out there? Plus -- all the data they can pull up in an instant. Where did they get that stuff? It's like the old movies where somebody would be given a file with an opponent's promotion photo. Just goofy.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
PO3 Donald Murphy
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And spies who are well known by their enemy ("ah Mr. Bond...your reputation preceeds you.").
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SSG(P) Casualty Operations Ncoic
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Of course. Someone mentions a name, and suddenly their driver license, service records, social security card, tax return, utility bills, credit card statements, etc. all pop up in a second. I get asked which section someone is in, and have to wait for my computer to do what I want it to do, pull up the roster, and then find one name amongst 150+ and then figure out where s/he works.
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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Question. NCIS agents grab their weapons and go into town. There they can brace a civilian, search his car , office and house with out a warrant. Since when do military cops have this power over civilians in town. On Base I can understand but not outside.,
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Sgt Bob C
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SGT Randall Smith I wondered the same thing. I love how they can take a civilian and take them on base. They could be arrested by the local police.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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Not necessarily "military" but the recoilless Desert Eagle 50AE.
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SSG Pete Fleming
SSG Pete Fleming
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Well, I think you point is valid... the guns either don't or have too much, and look at the shotgun if it really threw its target 50 feet off the ground, think of what it would do to the shooter...
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CAPT Kevin B.
CAPT Kevin B.
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CPL Robert Ray I'd describe the recoil as "manageable". It's heavy and I'm likely selling mine this year. That's because I've found something I like better, i.e. the 460. Takes 50% more powder and is more manageable. Goes through a lot of steel.
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CPL Robert Ray
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CAPT Kevin B. - Really? Never fired the 460. If you decide to sell your DE, let me know. I might just be in the market in a few months. :-)
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SFC Kevin C.
SFC Kevin C.
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I watched a TV show today that had a woman firing two handed and there was not recoil.
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SSG Special Forces Engineer Sergeant
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The movie; "Fury" I so wanted this to be a good movie because my Dad was in M4 Shermans during the Korean War Era.
Early on a crew member is shot leaving lots of blood and gore all over the inside of the tank. OK that's believable. Towards the end only three people are left. One is the new guy who is told to save himself and to use the hatch on the bottom to escape through. The other two wounded men left in the tank have a couple german grenades dropped in on them. First, the two grenades go off at different times although within seconds of each other. WRONG! One grenade would have set off the other one as well. Secondly, the new guy re-enters the tank and cries over two whole but dead bodies of his crewmates. WRONG! The inside of that tank would've been a bloody, drippy gooey mess and there would've been no hugging going on unless it'd be him hugging himself as he threw up everything but his toenails.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
PO3 Donald Murphy
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Also the tank itself. It has the long barrel 76mm gun which could have taken on the Tiger by itself without the dancing. The battle and tactic were correct tho, for the short barrel 75mm armed tanks. Also, because of German firepower superiority, they would have had tons of spare wheels, logs, tracks and sandbags on the tank as extra protection (unless they were in Patton's Third Army).

The Waffen SS were equally funny. Only Panzer Grenadiers had Panzerfausts. Entire units didn't. You'd have had one per field unit/squad at most. Only home guard (Volksturm) and Hitler Youth gave one to each man. And **ONE** p-faust would have eaten the tank for breakfast. And if they were SS, *IN GERMANY*, they'd have been the Liebstandardt Adolph Hitler division and they were armed with the 88mm Panzerschrek rocket launcher which would have fried Brad before he got in range.
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SSG Cavalry Scout
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PO3 Donald Murphy another fun fact is panzerfausts contributed to about 1% of successful engagements against allied tanks. In the movie they were as prolific and effective as EFPs in Sadr city.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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SSG (Join to see) - Hmmm... I've read that every time they were used, they successfully killed/disabled the enemy tank.
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SFC Benjamin Varlese
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A few acquaintances of mine are military advisors for Hollywood and helped shed some light on this subject. The advisors can tell the film-maker how to make everything 100% accurate, but ultimately it is up to the film-maker to make the movie how they think it will best entertain the plebes. There are creative decisions made to portray their vision and what they believe will be most easily understood, such as the villain in "American Sniper" wearing all black and a leather jacket during summer in Ramadi (Holy Heat Casualty Batman) or uniform discrepancies. This holds true for jacked-up tactics, the gratuitous explosions, never-ending magazines, excessive weapon sounds, etc. It's all to play to the entertainment of simple minds, not veterans.
On the subject of uniforms, most of the time it is based on someone in the costume department throwing something together that looks right or visually appealing. With the exception of "Basic" (which in my opinion is the worst military movie ever conceived), in general most costume designers have tried much harder to be more accurate with medals, patches and badges, largely from input from veterans and advisors.
As I said before, the advisors are there to advise, it is up to the film-maker as to how he or she utilizes it in their end product.
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SSG Pete Fleming
SSG Pete Fleming
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Some issues are for creative license, budgetary reasons, other are just laziness... Basic being one obvious example, they had the budget to make it a bit more realistic (I loved how it rained the entire time to cove the fact the were neither on Clayton or Sherman
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1LT Quartermaster Officer
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HOOAH SFC Benjamin Varlese! Thanks for taking the time to reply and add this information to the issues! I always assumed it was production not listening to the advisors, but I think the power of the pen, veterans need to unite and mail (snail mail and email) the heck out of them! I disagree with the budget issue and awards, decorations, and medals. They have the fruit salad all there but in the wrong order. The awards were physically there, the internet can help put those together, in order, in less than 10 minutes. They have posters as well.
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SFC Intelligence Analyst
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People even found discrepancies in Band of Brothers and they were meticulous on that show. Granted they were all very, very minor because they went to great lengths to be as accurate as possible with that miniseries.
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SGT Squad Leader
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Basic was so dumb. I think the actors were driving a HMMV while the parking brake light was on. I mean glowing red. In one scene Samuel Jackson is wearing E-4 rank and then has E-7 rank in another. And what's with the cape?
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CPL Robert Ray
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For me, it's the ones that really cause me to break my suspension of disbelief. In something campy, like the above still from Hogan's Heroes, I can forgive the German guard with the Tommy Gun because 1) it's campy comedy anyway and 2) there were problems getting MP-40s for the lower budget TV series back then. Rat Patrol had the same problem. But then Rat Patrol had bigger problems, starting with the whole concept was based on what the Brits were doing. That and the Aussie hat on the American character... One could spend a lot of time on that show...

Weapons of the wrong era... Those are a problem for me. A Forward Assist in 1964, for instance. But then I am pleasantly surprised when movies get it right. The M-16s in We Were Soldiers, for instance. Disclaimer: I did not slow motion or frame by frame the movie to make sure every single rifle was an M-16 and not an M-16A1, but the distinct 3-bladed barrel and lack of forward assist in the vast majority of shots was reassuring.

Location gaffs are another of my pet peeves. In one episode of The Unit, for instance, they state that the action is taking place at the Pine Bluff Arsenal and the nearby Pine Bluff Airport... The scene is clearly shot in an arid location (somewhere in California, I'm pretty sure), but Grider Field in Pine Bluff, Arkansas is on the edge of a cotton field!!! Yes, I know the show, like so many, is full of inconsistencies and military errors, but that one broke the wall for me as I've passed by both locations 100 times or more in my life.

Let me flip this: what military movie/TV Show do you think got it particularly right?
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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We Were Soldiers. I should not have watched it. Did not sleep for 3 nights because of nightmares.
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SSG(P) Casualty Operations Ncoic
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SGT Randall Smith - Actually filmed on Fort Benning. While there for OCS, my wife and I drove all over the residential areas trying to find the house and street that Mel Gibson's character lived in and then walked down prior to the deployment.
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CSM Charles Hayden
CSM Charles Hayden
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@SGT Randall Smith ‘We Were Soldiers - -‘ was my last ‘war movie. Rick Rescoria, a COC (?), in the battle was a 9/11 victim!
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SN Mike Duffy
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Jack Pennick was a character actor uncredited in 250 or so films. He was also a military advisor. He noticed that the swords on display at West point were upside down. He did a lot with John Wayne and John Ford. Not saying everything he was in was correct, but I'm sure he pointed it out.
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CSM Richard StCyr
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-Having people run around in ACUs with the damn mandarin collar up and no IBA. Spend the extra $8.00 and get the uniform pocket guide or Google 670-1 for proper wear. No one wears the damn collar up.
- Having US soldiers in WWI to Vietnam era uniforms with the corporal/ sergeants chevrons upside down. Mysteries at the museum just chaps my ass with this one. Can't concentrate on what otherwise would be a great show because the chevrons drive me bat shit. We aren't common wealth NCOs.
- Any movie that the Trooper pulls a grenade pin with their teeth. Friggin jaws from 007 couldn't do that, let alone a mere mortal (don't ask how I figured this one out).
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SSgt Terry P.
SSgt Terry P.
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CSM Richard StCyr Could you imagine trying to move quickly in a crisis with grenades that had pins that could be pulled with your teeth?The crisis would be over very quickly.
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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In Europe we wore yellow stripes. When first got to Nam we still did until black chevrons came out and black pins. When I had grenades I made darn sure the pin was in there very tight. Brush and branches in the jungle could easily pull the grenade lose and out and that made for a very bad day.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Uniform foul-ups that could be easily avoided by doing simple research...or hiring a competent military advisor. And weapons mistakes, like guns that are single-action, gas operated (ie ALL assault rifles) going "click-click-click" when the magazines runs dy.
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SSG Pete Fleming
SSG Pete Fleming
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Some is for effect... but a lot is laziness.
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SGT Richard H.
SGT Richard H.
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Seriously...you can download 670-1 online! If you (the hollywood type) download it and don't understand it, for god's sake, hire yourself a Vet!
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Sgt Bob C
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Also, when they pull their side arm out, they always chamber a round. You're supposed to already have a round in the chamber.
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Capt Richard I P.
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Gunfighting. If this is to be the central trope of your movie, how can you dare to get it so wrong?

#1 Shooting accurately is really hard. If you're outside of 25 feet with a pistol you're better off seeking cover or running. Rifles aren't magic either. You will miss a lot, so will the other guy. The principal point of the gunfight is to shoot the other guy, the secondary is to not be shot. This means stability in shooting position, clear sight alignment and picture are critical, anything else is wasted ammo. Cover matters and you can't dodge bullets. Teamwork is critical.
#2 Death has meaning, to both sides of a conflict. Real meaning.
#3 Clicking off safe is not racking a round, different sounds by far.
#4 Racking a round to show how serious you are when you just cleared an area or are in a threat area or something of the like. Either A. You're an idiot for clearing with a weapon in condition 3 or B. a round should have flown from the chamber and you're an idiot for wasting the extra round.
#5 Cocking a double-action pistol to show how serious you are is not the same as racking a weapon, different sounds, also a fairly meaningless action unless you need a lighter trigger squeeze.
#6 Not all pistols are double action pistols.
#7 Reloads. Dear goodness the reloads.
#8 Pistols are backup weapons or (very) close-work weapons, any real fighter knows this.
#9 It's not hard to find someone who knows all of the above, and yet no one seems willing to put the money into it or follow it consistently.

#10 Good gunfight movies? Black Hawk Down, Band of Brothers, most of End of Watch, Act of Valor (maybe the best not great acting, but the beauty and truth in those reloads cannot be denied.)
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LCDR Glenn Adwell
LCDR Glenn Adwell
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MAJ (Join to see) - Not a military movie, but Julia Roberts in "Sleeping with the Enemy" her husband tries to shoot her at the end of the movie with a semi-auto pistol, and it goes "click, click, click" and the slide is still forward! I was so pissed, I yelled "That's messed up!", not remembering I was in a movie theater at the time. My wife wanted to kill me!
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Cocking the semi-automatic pistol every time you prepare to shoot.
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Capt Richard I P. And how about the extra part of #2 ... pounding heart syndrome ... I know someone that was worried he would be in trouble for leaving his magazines behind, so instead of dropping and reloading, he was putting away his empties during his first firefight. The mind is an amazing thing sometimes!
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SFC (Join to see) - wish there was a smiley face instead of just thumbs up. LOL
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