Posted on May 27, 2016
What is the biggest military movie/TV goof, basically the military Movie/TV mistakes that annoys you the most?
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The worst one I can remember was in the movie "Iron Eagles" with Lou Gossett Jr. He steals a Priority "A" (at the time)/Protection Level 1 aircraft by intimidating an Air Force Security Specialist (Security Police/Forces) into letting him and a civilian access to the aircraft. In real life, he would have been put on the ground and then cuffed. Arguing would have only gotten him "butt stroked" with the stock of the M-16.
Another one is Security Force Members coming in and taking over for NASA engineers in "Armageddon". I guess I missed the training on that one.
Another one is Security Force Members coming in and taking over for NASA engineers in "Armageddon". I guess I missed the training on that one.
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SSG Pete Fleming
They always pull the intimidation card, if the hero needs something... and the secret government agents take control because well they are trained in all things better than those with years of experience.
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Capt Michael Greene
SMSgt Keith Klug I've been getting into restricted areas all my life just by looking like I belonged there. But this one surprised me: I wanted to show my friends a crashed F-4 next to the runway at Clark AB. So we drove up in a little truck, and I saw the crash site roped off and guarded. Obviously we weren't going to get in, but I pulled up to the guard anyway. The guard asked for my pass, and while I was head-down looking through my wallet, the cop smacked the side of my truck and pretended that I had run over his foot. The surprised look on my face made the guard crack up laughing--then he waved us in to the crash site.
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Sgt Randy Harrison
It bothered me that in Iron Eagle they pronounced Ramstein AB "Ramsteen".. it was a Golan-Globus production, after all!
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Showing all these fabulously squared away civilians in the NCIS working all these crimes from one room in LA, or DC or New Orleans. No other agents out there? Plus -- all the data they can pull up in an instant. Where did they get that stuff? It's like the old movies where somebody would be given a file with an opponent's promotion photo. Just goofy.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
And spies who are well known by their enemy ("ah Mr. Bond...your reputation preceeds you.").
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TSgt (Join to see)
Of course. Someone mentions a name, and suddenly their driver license, service records, social security card, tax return, utility bills, credit card statements, etc. all pop up in a second. I get asked which section someone is in, and have to wait for my computer to do what I want it to do, pull up the roster, and then find one name amongst 150+ and then figure out where s/he works.
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SGT Randall Smith
Question. NCIS agents grab their weapons and go into town. There they can brace a civilian, search his car , office and house with out a warrant. Since when do military cops have this power over civilians in town. On Base I can understand but not outside.,
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Sgt Bob C
SGT Randall Smith I wondered the same thing. I love how they can take a civilian and take them on base. They could be arrested by the local police.
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A few acquaintances of mine are military advisors for Hollywood and helped shed some light on this subject. The advisors can tell the film-maker how to make everything 100% accurate, but ultimately it is up to the film-maker to make the movie how they think it will best entertain the plebes. There are creative decisions made to portray their vision and what they believe will be most easily understood, such as the villain in "American Sniper" wearing all black and a leather jacket during summer in Ramadi (Holy Heat Casualty Batman) or uniform discrepancies. This holds true for jacked-up tactics, the gratuitous explosions, never-ending magazines, excessive weapon sounds, etc. It's all to play to the entertainment of simple minds, not veterans.
On the subject of uniforms, most of the time it is based on someone in the costume department throwing something together that looks right or visually appealing. With the exception of "Basic" (which in my opinion is the worst military movie ever conceived), in general most costume designers have tried much harder to be more accurate with medals, patches and badges, largely from input from veterans and advisors.
As I said before, the advisors are there to advise, it is up to the film-maker as to how he or she utilizes it in their end product.
On the subject of uniforms, most of the time it is based on someone in the costume department throwing something together that looks right or visually appealing. With the exception of "Basic" (which in my opinion is the worst military movie ever conceived), in general most costume designers have tried much harder to be more accurate with medals, patches and badges, largely from input from veterans and advisors.
As I said before, the advisors are there to advise, it is up to the film-maker as to how he or she utilizes it in their end product.
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SSG Pete Fleming
Some issues are for creative license, budgetary reasons, other are just laziness... Basic being one obvious example, they had the budget to make it a bit more realistic (I loved how it rained the entire time to cove the fact the were neither on Clayton or Sherman
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1LT (Join to see)
HOOAH SFC Benjamin Varlese! Thanks for taking the time to reply and add this information to the issues! I always assumed it was production not listening to the advisors, but I think the power of the pen, veterans need to unite and mail (snail mail and email) the heck out of them! I disagree with the budget issue and awards, decorations, and medals. They have the fruit salad all there but in the wrong order. The awards were physically there, the internet can help put those together, in order, in less than 10 minutes. They have posters as well.
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SGT (Join to see)
Basic was so dumb. I think the actors were driving a HMMV while the parking brake light was on. I mean glowing red. In one scene Samuel Jackson is wearing E-4 rank and then has E-7 rank in another. And what's with the cape?
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The movie; "Fury" I so wanted this to be a good movie because my Dad was in M4 Shermans during the Korean War Era.
Early on a crew member is shot leaving lots of blood and gore all over the inside of the tank. OK that's believable. Towards the end only three people are left. One is the new guy who is told to save himself and to use the hatch on the bottom to escape through. The other two wounded men left in the tank have a couple german grenades dropped in on them. First, the two grenades go off at different times although within seconds of each other. WRONG! One grenade would have set off the other one as well. Secondly, the new guy re-enters the tank and cries over two whole but dead bodies of his crewmates. WRONG! The inside of that tank would've been a bloody, drippy gooey mess and there would've been no hugging going on unless it'd be him hugging himself as he threw up everything but his toenails.
Early on a crew member is shot leaving lots of blood and gore all over the inside of the tank. OK that's believable. Towards the end only three people are left. One is the new guy who is told to save himself and to use the hatch on the bottom to escape through. The other two wounded men left in the tank have a couple german grenades dropped in on them. First, the two grenades go off at different times although within seconds of each other. WRONG! One grenade would have set off the other one as well. Secondly, the new guy re-enters the tank and cries over two whole but dead bodies of his crewmates. WRONG! The inside of that tank would've been a bloody, drippy gooey mess and there would've been no hugging going on unless it'd be him hugging himself as he threw up everything but his toenails.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
Also the tank itself. It has the long barrel 76mm gun which could have taken on the Tiger by itself without the dancing. The battle and tactic were correct tho, for the short barrel 75mm armed tanks. Also, because of German firepower superiority, they would have had tons of spare wheels, logs, tracks and sandbags on the tank as extra protection (unless they were in Patton's Third Army).
The Waffen SS were equally funny. Only Panzer Grenadiers had Panzerfausts. Entire units didn't. You'd have had one per field unit/squad at most. Only home guard (Volksturm) and Hitler Youth gave one to each man. And **ONE** p-faust would have eaten the tank for breakfast. And if they were SS, *IN GERMANY*, they'd have been the Liebstandardt Adolph Hitler division and they were armed with the 88mm Panzerschrek rocket launcher which would have fried Brad before he got in range.
The Waffen SS were equally funny. Only Panzer Grenadiers had Panzerfausts. Entire units didn't. You'd have had one per field unit/squad at most. Only home guard (Volksturm) and Hitler Youth gave one to each man. And **ONE** p-faust would have eaten the tank for breakfast. And if they were SS, *IN GERMANY*, they'd have been the Liebstandardt Adolph Hitler division and they were armed with the 88mm Panzerschrek rocket launcher which would have fried Brad before he got in range.
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PO3 Donald Murphy another fun fact is panzerfausts contributed to about 1% of successful engagements against allied tanks. In the movie they were as prolific and effective as EFPs in Sadr city.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
SSG (Join to see) - Hmmm... I've read that every time they were used, they successfully killed/disabled the enemy tank.
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SSG Pete Fleming
Well, I think you point is valid... the guns either don't or have too much, and look at the shotgun if it really threw its target 50 feet off the ground, think of what it would do to the shooter...
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CAPT Kevin B.
CPL Robert Ray I'd describe the recoil as "manageable". It's heavy and I'm likely selling mine this year. That's because I've found something I like better, i.e. the 460. Takes 50% more powder and is more manageable. Goes through a lot of steel.
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CPL Robert Ray
CAPT Kevin B. - Really? Never fired the 460. If you decide to sell your DE, let me know. I might just be in the market in a few months. :-)
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For me, it's the ones that really cause me to break my suspension of disbelief. In something campy, like the above still from Hogan's Heroes, I can forgive the German guard with the Tommy Gun because 1) it's campy comedy anyway and 2) there were problems getting MP-40s for the lower budget TV series back then. Rat Patrol had the same problem. But then Rat Patrol had bigger problems, starting with the whole concept was based on what the Brits were doing. That and the Aussie hat on the American character... One could spend a lot of time on that show...
Weapons of the wrong era... Those are a problem for me. A Forward Assist in 1964, for instance. But then I am pleasantly surprised when movies get it right. The M-16s in We Were Soldiers, for instance. Disclaimer: I did not slow motion or frame by frame the movie to make sure every single rifle was an M-16 and not an M-16A1, but the distinct 3-bladed barrel and lack of forward assist in the vast majority of shots was reassuring.
Location gaffs are another of my pet peeves. In one episode of The Unit, for instance, they state that the action is taking place at the Pine Bluff Arsenal and the nearby Pine Bluff Airport... The scene is clearly shot in an arid location (somewhere in California, I'm pretty sure), but Grider Field in Pine Bluff, Arkansas is on the edge of a cotton field!!! Yes, I know the show, like so many, is full of inconsistencies and military errors, but that one broke the wall for me as I've passed by both locations 100 times or more in my life.
Let me flip this: what military movie/TV Show do you think got it particularly right?
Weapons of the wrong era... Those are a problem for me. A Forward Assist in 1964, for instance. But then I am pleasantly surprised when movies get it right. The M-16s in We Were Soldiers, for instance. Disclaimer: I did not slow motion or frame by frame the movie to make sure every single rifle was an M-16 and not an M-16A1, but the distinct 3-bladed barrel and lack of forward assist in the vast majority of shots was reassuring.
Location gaffs are another of my pet peeves. In one episode of The Unit, for instance, they state that the action is taking place at the Pine Bluff Arsenal and the nearby Pine Bluff Airport... The scene is clearly shot in an arid location (somewhere in California, I'm pretty sure), but Grider Field in Pine Bluff, Arkansas is on the edge of a cotton field!!! Yes, I know the show, like so many, is full of inconsistencies and military errors, but that one broke the wall for me as I've passed by both locations 100 times or more in my life.
Let me flip this: what military movie/TV Show do you think got it particularly right?
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SGT Randall Smith
We Were Soldiers. I should not have watched it. Did not sleep for 3 nights because of nightmares.
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TSgt (Join to see)
SGT Randall Smith - Actually filmed on Fort Benning. While there for OCS, my wife and I drove all over the residential areas trying to find the house and street that Mel Gibson's character lived in and then walked down prior to the deployment.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
@SGT Randall Smith ‘We Were Soldiers - -‘ was my last ‘war movie. Rick Rescoria, a COC (?), in the battle was a 9/11 victim!
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SN Mike Duffy
Jack Pennick was a character actor uncredited in 250 or so films. He was also a military advisor. He noticed that the swords on display at West point were upside down. He did a lot with John Wayne and John Ford. Not saying everything he was in was correct, but I'm sure he pointed it out.
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-Having people run around in ACUs with the damn mandarin collar up and no IBA. Spend the extra $8.00 and get the uniform pocket guide or Google 670-1 for proper wear. No one wears the damn collar up.
- Having US soldiers in WWI to Vietnam era uniforms with the corporal/ sergeants chevrons upside down. Mysteries at the museum just chaps my ass with this one. Can't concentrate on what otherwise would be a great show because the chevrons drive me bat shit. We aren't common wealth NCOs.
- Any movie that the Trooper pulls a grenade pin with their teeth. Friggin jaws from 007 couldn't do that, let alone a mere mortal (don't ask how I figured this one out).
- Having US soldiers in WWI to Vietnam era uniforms with the corporal/ sergeants chevrons upside down. Mysteries at the museum just chaps my ass with this one. Can't concentrate on what otherwise would be a great show because the chevrons drive me bat shit. We aren't common wealth NCOs.
- Any movie that the Trooper pulls a grenade pin with their teeth. Friggin jaws from 007 couldn't do that, let alone a mere mortal (don't ask how I figured this one out).
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SSgt Terry P.
CSM Richard StCyr Could you imagine trying to move quickly in a crisis with grenades that had pins that could be pulled with your teeth?The crisis would be over very quickly.
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SGT Randall Smith
In Europe we wore yellow stripes. When first got to Nam we still did until black chevrons came out and black pins. When I had grenades I made darn sure the pin was in there very tight. Brush and branches in the jungle could easily pull the grenade lose and out and that made for a very bad day.
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Uniform foul-ups that could be easily avoided by doing simple research...or hiring a competent military advisor. And weapons mistakes, like guns that are single-action, gas operated (ie ALL assault rifles) going "click-click-click" when the magazines runs dy.
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SGT Richard H.
Seriously...you can download 670-1 online! If you (the hollywood type) download it and don't understand it, for god's sake, hire yourself a Vet!
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Gunfighting. If this is to be the central trope of your movie, how can you dare to get it so wrong?
#1 Shooting accurately is really hard. If you're outside of 25 feet with a pistol you're better off seeking cover or running. Rifles aren't magic either. You will miss a lot, so will the other guy. The principal point of the gunfight is to shoot the other guy, the secondary is to not be shot. This means stability in shooting position, clear sight alignment and picture are critical, anything else is wasted ammo. Cover matters and you can't dodge bullets. Teamwork is critical.
#2 Death has meaning, to both sides of a conflict. Real meaning.
#3 Clicking off safe is not racking a round, different sounds by far.
#4 Racking a round to show how serious you are when you just cleared an area or are in a threat area or something of the like. Either A. You're an idiot for clearing with a weapon in condition 3 or B. a round should have flown from the chamber and you're an idiot for wasting the extra round.
#5 Cocking a double-action pistol to show how serious you are is not the same as racking a weapon, different sounds, also a fairly meaningless action unless you need a lighter trigger squeeze.
#6 Not all pistols are double action pistols.
#7 Reloads. Dear goodness the reloads.
#8 Pistols are backup weapons or (very) close-work weapons, any real fighter knows this.
#9 It's not hard to find someone who knows all of the above, and yet no one seems willing to put the money into it or follow it consistently.
#10 Good gunfight movies? Black Hawk Down, Band of Brothers, most of End of Watch, Act of Valor (maybe the best not great acting, but the beauty and truth in those reloads cannot be denied.)
#1 Shooting accurately is really hard. If you're outside of 25 feet with a pistol you're better off seeking cover or running. Rifles aren't magic either. You will miss a lot, so will the other guy. The principal point of the gunfight is to shoot the other guy, the secondary is to not be shot. This means stability in shooting position, clear sight alignment and picture are critical, anything else is wasted ammo. Cover matters and you can't dodge bullets. Teamwork is critical.
#2 Death has meaning, to both sides of a conflict. Real meaning.
#3 Clicking off safe is not racking a round, different sounds by far.
#4 Racking a round to show how serious you are when you just cleared an area or are in a threat area or something of the like. Either A. You're an idiot for clearing with a weapon in condition 3 or B. a round should have flown from the chamber and you're an idiot for wasting the extra round.
#5 Cocking a double-action pistol to show how serious you are is not the same as racking a weapon, different sounds, also a fairly meaningless action unless you need a lighter trigger squeeze.
#6 Not all pistols are double action pistols.
#7 Reloads. Dear goodness the reloads.
#8 Pistols are backup weapons or (very) close-work weapons, any real fighter knows this.
#9 It's not hard to find someone who knows all of the above, and yet no one seems willing to put the money into it or follow it consistently.
#10 Good gunfight movies? Black Hawk Down, Band of Brothers, most of End of Watch, Act of Valor (maybe the best not great acting, but the beauty and truth in those reloads cannot be denied.)
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LCDR Glenn Adwell
MAJ (Join to see) - Not a military movie, but Julia Roberts in "Sleeping with the Enemy" her husband tries to shoot her at the end of the movie with a semi-auto pistol, and it goes "click, click, click" and the slide is still forward! I was so pissed, I yelled "That's messed up!", not remembering I was in a movie theater at the time. My wife wanted to kill me!
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1LT (Join to see)
Capt Richard I P. And how about the extra part of #2 ... pounding heart syndrome ... I know someone that was worried he would be in trouble for leaving his magazines behind, so instead of dropping and reloading, he was putting away his empties during his first firefight. The mind is an amazing thing sometimes!
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Here's 2 that always bug me.
Whenever there's a show/movie involving a carrier the CAG almost always seems to be conspicuously absent; his role in these movies/shows is always filled by the ship's Captain or a squadron CO who (conveniently) doesn't fly anything but a desk. Top Gun is blatantly guilty of this, I couldn't tell if the bald guy who chews out Maverick and Goose in the beginning is supposed to be the CAG (although he's only a Commander or Lt. Commander) or Maverick's squadron's CO. Then you have Behind Enemy Lines where the ship's Captain seems to be running air ops instead of the missing CAG.
The other thing that bugs me are convertible, and often doorless, Humvees. I don't know how many shows or movies where I've seen Humvees driving around without their doors on and often without roofs too. In my time in I never once saw a doorless, much less a doorless and topless, Humvee and my unit dealt with the soft top variants exclusively and so did every other unit I ever saw. Where do these convertible Humvees come from and where did the director/producer ever see one and thought that's how the military configures them?
Speaking of Humvees, that reminds of some B movie that I saw once where it had a crack unit made up of all former trouble makers/gang banger kids, in this movie they're on a mission somewhere getting shot at and their only means of escape was a Humvee. As if the basic premise wasn't ridiculous enough but in order to tie in to their past they have one of the kids make his way to the Humvee and proceed to hotwire it! I laughed so hard when I saw that, it was so obvious that neither the director or the screenwriter had ever been around a real military Humvee before since, as I'm sure most of you already know, there's absolutely no need to hotwire a Humvee, or just about any other military vehicle in order to steal it.
Whenever there's a show/movie involving a carrier the CAG almost always seems to be conspicuously absent; his role in these movies/shows is always filled by the ship's Captain or a squadron CO who (conveniently) doesn't fly anything but a desk. Top Gun is blatantly guilty of this, I couldn't tell if the bald guy who chews out Maverick and Goose in the beginning is supposed to be the CAG (although he's only a Commander or Lt. Commander) or Maverick's squadron's CO. Then you have Behind Enemy Lines where the ship's Captain seems to be running air ops instead of the missing CAG.
The other thing that bugs me are convertible, and often doorless, Humvees. I don't know how many shows or movies where I've seen Humvees driving around without their doors on and often without roofs too. In my time in I never once saw a doorless, much less a doorless and topless, Humvee and my unit dealt with the soft top variants exclusively and so did every other unit I ever saw. Where do these convertible Humvees come from and where did the director/producer ever see one and thought that's how the military configures them?
Speaking of Humvees, that reminds of some B movie that I saw once where it had a crack unit made up of all former trouble makers/gang banger kids, in this movie they're on a mission somewhere getting shot at and their only means of escape was a Humvee. As if the basic premise wasn't ridiculous enough but in order to tie in to their past they have one of the kids make his way to the Humvee and proceed to hotwire it! I laughed so hard when I saw that, it was so obvious that neither the director or the screenwriter had ever been around a real military Humvee before since, as I'm sure most of you already know, there's absolutely no need to hotwire a Humvee, or just about any other military vehicle in order to steal it.
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SFC William "Bill" Moore
We did operate our without doors, but never without the top. Now back in the day of the M151 Jeep, that was a different story!
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SGT Randall Smith
We drove the old Jeeps and when in Germany we always had the top on and in the winter the doors. In Nam we sometimes had the top on but not always. And we never had the sides on. They were easier to jump out of if needed. When we went to Can Tho, Bn HQ the jeeps all had the tops and most had the doors on.
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CPT Brad Wilson
We would take the doors off all the time but never the top but they were to old plastic doors. Left them on when we got the hard top ones and it was hard to open let alone remove the armored doors
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