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The TV show Stargate SG1. Pilot episode, Col Jack O'Neill is in an elevator going to meet the General. The man on the elevator with him has a Master Sgt chevron as well as Major Oak Leaves on his collar. A new way to say, Sgt Major? I did read an article about an actual Military Technical Advisor. He said that many of the things he recommended for change or insertion were overruled for either expediency, dramatic license, or cost.
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I don't have one. However, I knew a SEAL officer whose face would immediately turn burning red anytime someone mentioned GI Jane. It was kinda fun to casually work it into a conversation when I knew he was nearby. (grins)
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It seems as if we all are irked by uniform, hair and military bearing gaffs as well as weapons with seemingly endless magazine capacity - here are a few of my own:
1. Communication jargon that is either from the wrong era or simply improper radio protocol.
The use of the term 'Over and out'; 'Roger that', copy (or copy that - my personal pet peeve) in any war movie prior to 1970 when this term became broadly popular with CB radio fans. Not only is it completely out of date, it wouldn't be tolerated for long.
2. The wrong equipment for the era - Jeeps are very commonly misused. A Willy's or Ford is rarely seen - same with Studebaker trucks which were ubiquitous during WWII and Korea.
3. Wrong year civilian vehicles or civilian vehicles from the late 30's or 40's sporting a Carson top, baby moons or chrome wire wheels and blue dots.
4. Running out of ammo and not being aware you are empty. Infantry soldiers are trained to unconsciously keep track of the number of rounds fired and instinctively know when they are nearing the last round or two in their magazine. Continuing to try to fire when the bolt is to the rear is either a total novice or someone scared witless in the fire fight which is possible.
5. The star gets shot in the leg or arm but continues to run at top speed or have incredible stamina fighting in some fashion of mixed martial arts without passing out from lack of blood.
In my opinion, most of the best military movies were: Glory; Gettysburg, Patton; McArthur; Tora, Tora, Tora; Midway; Pork Chop Hill; Band of Brothers; The Longest Day; a Bridge too Far; We Were Soldiers and the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan.
We shall never likely see a movie that fully satisfies our critical eyes and ears.
1. Communication jargon that is either from the wrong era or simply improper radio protocol.
The use of the term 'Over and out'; 'Roger that', copy (or copy that - my personal pet peeve) in any war movie prior to 1970 when this term became broadly popular with CB radio fans. Not only is it completely out of date, it wouldn't be tolerated for long.
2. The wrong equipment for the era - Jeeps are very commonly misused. A Willy's or Ford is rarely seen - same with Studebaker trucks which were ubiquitous during WWII and Korea.
3. Wrong year civilian vehicles or civilian vehicles from the late 30's or 40's sporting a Carson top, baby moons or chrome wire wheels and blue dots.
4. Running out of ammo and not being aware you are empty. Infantry soldiers are trained to unconsciously keep track of the number of rounds fired and instinctively know when they are nearing the last round or two in their magazine. Continuing to try to fire when the bolt is to the rear is either a total novice or someone scared witless in the fire fight which is possible.
5. The star gets shot in the leg or arm but continues to run at top speed or have incredible stamina fighting in some fashion of mixed martial arts without passing out from lack of blood.
In my opinion, most of the best military movies were: Glory; Gettysburg, Patton; McArthur; Tora, Tora, Tora; Midway; Pork Chop Hill; Band of Brothers; The Longest Day; a Bridge too Far; We Were Soldiers and the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan.
We shall never likely see a movie that fully satisfies our critical eyes and ears.
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SPC David Riley
The "Over and Out" one is my most hated commo mistake. That one makes me cringe every time I hear it. We had a major in my Ohio National Guard unit who would say "break" during his transmission, but never let up on the transmit button, so all he did was stop talking but he was still transmitting.
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SGT Randall Smith
SPC David Riley - I was a 31M, radio operator, and we used "over" when ever we were finished talking. In charge of a MARS Station in Nam and again " over" when you were finished. But I never heard " Over and Out". If completely finished you might say " out" but seldom.
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
I was a 7242 and my job involved a lot of talking on the radio and we'd always say "over" when we were done speaking for the moment and were waiting for a response by the other person. When we were completely done with the transmission we would say "out".
Both Roger or Roger that and copy were used when I was in during the '90s, but Roger wasn't used that often, and copy was always uses with how, so when we'd ask someone if they got everything we said we'd ask them, "how copy? Over.".
Both Roger or Roger that and copy were used when I was in during the '90s, but Roger wasn't used that often, and copy was always uses with how, so when we'd ask someone if they got everything we said we'd ask them, "how copy? Over.".
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TSgt Phil Textor
I was a radio operator in the Air Force Through 1986 I operated the Commando escort radio net. our proper protocol included "over" meaning the transmission was over ready to receive your reply, it included "copy" meaning that a specific bit of information or a specific instruction had been received or "Rodger" meaning your last transmission was received satisfactorily. So as late as 1987 through the early 90s those Pro words we're still being used. The phrase that had been retired was "come in." We were not taught that phrase and it's been out of use for at least 10 years even then. Your call sign or the word copy, roger or acknowledged were used to end a call. We have been taught " over and out" but it was rarely used.
hound dog this is apple tree, over
apples tree hound dog, go ahead (or over)
if the frequency was VERY clear we would just say "Hound dog I copy your last over." If the other station was transmitting simple information or simple instructions the receiving station could acknowledge with just their call sign. " Hound dog this is apple tree please call back in 10 Mike's after I've had a chance to call my supervisor." receiving station could reply and acknowledge the instruction by simply saying "hound dog." The idea was brief and to the point. Since the radio operator afsc has gone away I don't know what procedures are being taught currently.
hound dog this is apple tree, over
apples tree hound dog, go ahead (or over)
if the frequency was VERY clear we would just say "Hound dog I copy your last over." If the other station was transmitting simple information or simple instructions the receiving station could acknowledge with just their call sign. " Hound dog this is apple tree please call back in 10 Mike's after I've had a chance to call my supervisor." receiving station could reply and acknowledge the instruction by simply saying "hound dog." The idea was brief and to the point. Since the radio operator afsc has gone away I don't know what procedures are being taught currently.
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No idea in movies, but in novels it is referring to everyone in the military no matter the branch or component as a soldier. Or making everyone on the team officers....
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CSM Mike Kalberg
Point taken Meloni but I have first-hand evidence that you, LTC Beauchamp, were a damn good soldier yourself! Just sayin'!
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Besides the 1000 round M4 magazines or uniform violations or actors that can't wear a beret correctly, my biggest goof- beef is that in some shows EVERYBODY has nicknames. No rank respect just nicknames. Ayfkm? Maybe in a squad but not through the entire brigade. My 1sg hated being called top. He would always tell us that if we pulled his string that his head wouldn't pop off and start spinning, ours might.
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SGT Randall Smith
Every First Sgt. I ever had never minded being called TOP, First or First Sgt. But none wanted to be called Sarge. Even I did not like it and I was just a Buck Sgt.
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Interceptor. I first saw this in the movie theater. I was laughing when they showed the inside of the C-5 plane. The audience thought I was crazy. I got a few sideways looks. I was a jet engine mechanic for the C-5!
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Fireball explosions. Drives me crazy.
Karate and knife fights. Karate because all fights end on the ground with punches. Knife fights because when you actually have one everybody involved gets cut and stabbed..there are no winners.
Karate and knife fights. Karate because all fights end on the ground with punches. Knife fights because when you actually have one everybody involved gets cut and stabbed..there are no winners.
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SGT Randall Smith
We had a kid that always talked about his Karate skills. Then one fine day he had a argument with a SSG. He went Eeia on the way to the ground. It seems a wooden mallet can break a jaw before a kick can land. When he got out of the hospital in Japan he was sent back to us. You would have thought that SSG was a General from the respect he was given.
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When i see the poor excuse for uniforms, improper insignia, badly needing a haircut, if the are going to play the part of Military people Couldn't they at least get it right ? That annoys Me a lot !
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In an episode of Army Wives a field-grade officer had his name on the left and the US Army on the right of his ACU coat.
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