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On several counts, it's the closing sunset scene in John Wayne's "The Green Berets"...never knew the sun to set in the east!
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My biggest disappointment, SSG Pete Fleming, was not having my own personal Jeannie, like Major Nelson did, waiting for me at home...
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Capt Dwayne Conyers
I met Barbara years ago during my trip months employment at TV Guide in the 90’s. Long (and funny) sorry… but she was visibly intimidated by my presence so no chatting or flirting.
I had better luck with Mary Ann.
I had better luck with Mary Ann.
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Behind Enemy Lines. Gene Hackman is an Admiral dealing with "rogue" pilot and his go to guy is a MCPO. Where is the COS, Air Wing CDR, Squadron CO? In other words, the rest of the Chain of Command.
Also, probably already said, but Under Siege and the scene where the Phalanx system (anti-missle) is used to shoot down a jet plane flying parallel with the ship. TOTAL BS!
Also, probably already said, but Under Siege and the scene where the Phalanx system (anti-missle) is used to shoot down a jet plane flying parallel with the ship. TOTAL BS!
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the list is never ending and the part I never understand is how they do it so consistently about relatively recent military actions such as Vietnam or WW2
Seriously getting a Roman war movie wrong (and they are almost ALL horribly wrong) is a bit understandable given no Roman grunts are around to protest the mistakes but stuff from the last 60 odd years of history? Hollywood simply does not care.
Some Europeans do well though think Winter War re; Finns vs Russ. But the US still makes crap like Fury....
Seriously getting a Roman war movie wrong (and they are almost ALL horribly wrong) is a bit understandable given no Roman grunts are around to protest the mistakes but stuff from the last 60 odd years of history? Hollywood simply does not care.
Some Europeans do well though think Winter War re; Finns vs Russ. But the US still makes crap like Fury....
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I can tell you which movie I feel came closest to getting it right. Two of them, band of brothers got the group dynamics of a deployment spot on and Stripes perfectly depicted the thought processes of your average private down to the shitstorm their stupid decisions make. They both have problems and misrepresentations usually for comedic or dramatic effect, but their the best.
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For me it's a tie...In the movie "Commando" Colonel Matrix (played by Arnold Schwarzeneggar) places several Claymore anti-personnel mines alongside a barracks type building, and when he sets them off the entire 4 story building blows up from inside, nothing left but matchsticks. And in the movie "First Blood 2" John Rambo (played by Sylvester Stallone) fires a LAW rocket from inside a helicopter filled with POW's he just rescued from a North Vietnamese camp, and there is no backblast and everyone is perfectly OK. (And in various scenes, the rocket actually switches back and forth between a RPG to a LAW and then back to an RPG).
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In Top Gun were Maverick said "I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you".
The security problem isn't the person receiving classified information; it's the person giving it out.
The security problem isn't the person receiving classified information; it's the person giving it out.
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The TV show Stargate SG1. Pilot episode, Col Jack O'Neill is in an elevator going to meet the General. The man on the elevator with him has a Master Sgt chevron as well as Major Oak Leaves on his collar. A new way to say, Sgt Major? I did read an article about an actual Military Technical Advisor. He said that many of the things he recommended for change or insertion were overruled for either expediency, dramatic license, or cost.
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I don't have one. However, I knew a SEAL officer whose face would immediately turn burning red anytime someone mentioned GI Jane. It was kinda fun to casually work it into a conversation when I knew he was nearby. (grins)
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It seems as if we all are irked by uniform, hair and military bearing gaffs as well as weapons with seemingly endless magazine capacity - here are a few of my own:
1. Communication jargon that is either from the wrong era or simply improper radio protocol.
The use of the term 'Over and out'; 'Roger that', copy (or copy that - my personal pet peeve) in any war movie prior to 1970 when this term became broadly popular with CB radio fans. Not only is it completely out of date, it wouldn't be tolerated for long.
2. The wrong equipment for the era - Jeeps are very commonly misused. A Willy's or Ford is rarely seen - same with Studebaker trucks which were ubiquitous during WWII and Korea.
3. Wrong year civilian vehicles or civilian vehicles from the late 30's or 40's sporting a Carson top, baby moons or chrome wire wheels and blue dots.
4. Running out of ammo and not being aware you are empty. Infantry soldiers are trained to unconsciously keep track of the number of rounds fired and instinctively know when they are nearing the last round or two in their magazine. Continuing to try to fire when the bolt is to the rear is either a total novice or someone scared witless in the fire fight which is possible.
5. The star gets shot in the leg or arm but continues to run at top speed or have incredible stamina fighting in some fashion of mixed martial arts without passing out from lack of blood.
In my opinion, most of the best military movies were: Glory; Gettysburg, Patton; McArthur; Tora, Tora, Tora; Midway; Pork Chop Hill; Band of Brothers; The Longest Day; a Bridge too Far; We Were Soldiers and the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan.
We shall never likely see a movie that fully satisfies our critical eyes and ears.
1. Communication jargon that is either from the wrong era or simply improper radio protocol.
The use of the term 'Over and out'; 'Roger that', copy (or copy that - my personal pet peeve) in any war movie prior to 1970 when this term became broadly popular with CB radio fans. Not only is it completely out of date, it wouldn't be tolerated for long.
2. The wrong equipment for the era - Jeeps are very commonly misused. A Willy's or Ford is rarely seen - same with Studebaker trucks which were ubiquitous during WWII and Korea.
3. Wrong year civilian vehicles or civilian vehicles from the late 30's or 40's sporting a Carson top, baby moons or chrome wire wheels and blue dots.
4. Running out of ammo and not being aware you are empty. Infantry soldiers are trained to unconsciously keep track of the number of rounds fired and instinctively know when they are nearing the last round or two in their magazine. Continuing to try to fire when the bolt is to the rear is either a total novice or someone scared witless in the fire fight which is possible.
5. The star gets shot in the leg or arm but continues to run at top speed or have incredible stamina fighting in some fashion of mixed martial arts without passing out from lack of blood.
In my opinion, most of the best military movies were: Glory; Gettysburg, Patton; McArthur; Tora, Tora, Tora; Midway; Pork Chop Hill; Band of Brothers; The Longest Day; a Bridge too Far; We Were Soldiers and the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan.
We shall never likely see a movie that fully satisfies our critical eyes and ears.
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SPC David Riley
The "Over and Out" one is my most hated commo mistake. That one makes me cringe every time I hear it. We had a major in my Ohio National Guard unit who would say "break" during his transmission, but never let up on the transmit button, so all he did was stop talking but he was still transmitting.
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SGT Randall Smith
SPC David Riley - I was a 31M, radio operator, and we used "over" when ever we were finished talking. In charge of a MARS Station in Nam and again " over" when you were finished. But I never heard " Over and Out". If completely finished you might say " out" but seldom.
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
I was a 7242 and my job involved a lot of talking on the radio and we'd always say "over" when we were done speaking for the moment and were waiting for a response by the other person. When we were completely done with the transmission we would say "out".
Both Roger or Roger that and copy were used when I was in during the '90s, but Roger wasn't used that often, and copy was always uses with how, so when we'd ask someone if they got everything we said we'd ask them, "how copy? Over.".
Both Roger or Roger that and copy were used when I was in during the '90s, but Roger wasn't used that often, and copy was always uses with how, so when we'd ask someone if they got everything we said we'd ask them, "how copy? Over.".
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TSgt Phil Textor
I was a radio operator in the Air Force Through 1986 I operated the Commando escort radio net. our proper protocol included "over" meaning the transmission was over ready to receive your reply, it included "copy" meaning that a specific bit of information or a specific instruction had been received or "Rodger" meaning your last transmission was received satisfactorily. So as late as 1987 through the early 90s those Pro words we're still being used. The phrase that had been retired was "come in." We were not taught that phrase and it's been out of use for at least 10 years even then. Your call sign or the word copy, roger or acknowledged were used to end a call. We have been taught " over and out" but it was rarely used.
hound dog this is apple tree, over
apples tree hound dog, go ahead (or over)
if the frequency was VERY clear we would just say "Hound dog I copy your last over." If the other station was transmitting simple information or simple instructions the receiving station could acknowledge with just their call sign. " Hound dog this is apple tree please call back in 10 Mike's after I've had a chance to call my supervisor." receiving station could reply and acknowledge the instruction by simply saying "hound dog." The idea was brief and to the point. Since the radio operator afsc has gone away I don't know what procedures are being taught currently.
hound dog this is apple tree, over
apples tree hound dog, go ahead (or over)
if the frequency was VERY clear we would just say "Hound dog I copy your last over." If the other station was transmitting simple information or simple instructions the receiving station could acknowledge with just their call sign. " Hound dog this is apple tree please call back in 10 Mike's after I've had a chance to call my supervisor." receiving station could reply and acknowledge the instruction by simply saying "hound dog." The idea was brief and to the point. Since the radio operator afsc has gone away I don't know what procedures are being taught currently.
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