Posted on Mar 3, 2017
SPC Cameron Hale
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So recently I've been flagged for multiple Failures To Report, as a result UCMJ is pending. I have accepted the consequences of my actions and am prepared to face them. I just wanted to know the extent of the article seeing as I'm still in AIT and haven't reported to my first unit yet. (No pun intended between the Failure to report and me not reporting to my unit. The FTR's are to formation) Help?
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CPL Allan Suddeth
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I would think that you could face a company grade article 15. Reduction in pay grade, 45 days extra duty, confined to the barracks, and a possible reduction in pay. If they don't just let you go under court marshal
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SPC Training Room Nco
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It all depends on the type of Article 15. Summary, Company, and Field Grade all have different punitive actions that come with them. So it all boils down to how your Chain of Command views you, and how lenient they decide to be.

I've had two Article 15's up to this point (both for vehicle documentation); one Company, one Field Grade. The first one (Company), they took the Triple 7 (seven days Restriction, Base Pay loss, and Extra Duty). It was rough, but I got over it. The Field Grade, I got hit with loss of half-month's pay for two months, 30-Day restriction, and 45 days of Extra Duty. That was a nightmare (but my CoC didn't really like me much, so I get it).

Like I said, bud. It all depends on your Commander (Company or Battalion), and how they decide to handle it. They could decide to just throw it out (however, for multiple FTR's. you can probably bet on that not happening).
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper
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My question is this: Do you realize that not having the discipline to report to formation on time is an indicator that you will not have the discipline to remain in your fighting position when rounds are coming from the opposite direction?
Showing up on time may seem trivial to you, but you are still in the indoctrination phase of your training. If the leaders appointed over you have resorted to Art 15, I will assume they have exhausted many other avenues of corrective action.
Stating that you have accepted the consequences of your actions is one thing, accepting that your actions (or lack of action) could potentially get someone killed is another. This is a serious business that us and those like us have undertaken. If your leaders and peers cannot trust you to be there when you are really needed, you are detrimental to the mission. If you cannot accept that fact it is time to go home.
If you do understand what I'm saying, take appropriate action to earn your way back into the good graces of your chain of command. It may take a lot of time and effort, but if you are dedicated you can do it.
Being a boot sucks. There is no denying that fact. Embrace the suck. Own it. Make it yours. In a year things will be much different. And you will be a better man for it.
If you choose to.
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MSG David Rogers III
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You received a lot of positive advice in this discussion, disregard the negative. Do great things for the Army and your Country. Good luck Cameron!
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SPC Cameron Hale
SPC Cameron Hale
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Yes Master Sergeant! Hooah!
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SGT Ben Keen
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SPC Cameron Hale - You have already received some amazing answers from all levels of the chain of command and I hope you find the information useful. But if I may, I hope you take all this to heart. No one wants to see someone's career destroyed so early. I think that reflects on leaders as well in a negative way. I hope you grow and learn from all this and never find yourself late again. FTRs and LTRs are not a good thing and in the greater scheme of things could result in the loss of life if you want to view it from that side of things.
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SPC Cameron Hale
SPC Cameron Hale
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Yes Sergeant, definitely.
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SGT Ben Keen
SGT Ben Keen
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SPC Cameron Hale - Good then I think you should be fine with the rest of your career.
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CWO2 James Mathews
CWO2 James Mathews
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Lad, no problem is so bad that you can't rectify such, if you wish. At one time, when I was an E-3, I was told by the Chief of the Boat (submarine) that ,"my point bag was not only empty, but the bottom had been ripped out," after an incident on the beach in France. However, I did mange to become a tempory commissioned Officer and after 20 years, left the Navy as a MCPO (E-9). So, if I could pull it off, you can as well, IF you wish to!!!.
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SFC Opsnco
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"I have accepted the consequences of my actions and am prepared to face them."
WTH?
What about changing the behavior that led to your punishment? Start there. Criminals in prison have accepted their punishment but it doesn't mean that they wont go out an commit the same crimes when the are released. Got it. Two different scenarios. But the reality is, it isn't too far off. Grow up and do the right thing. You know better.
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SPC Cameron Hale
SPC Cameron Hale
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Yes Sergeant.
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SSG Richard Hackwith
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Being from the "old days" I can't really say what it's like in today's army. But in my experience, "multiple failures" during BCT/AIT would indicate an individual that doesn't have the aptitude to be a soldier. However during my four years of active duty (1964-68) I received two company grade and one field grade. I was always in combat arms units (Tanker) and in those days and units almost everyone had at least one. In 1974 I was in the USAR and waiting for the next cycle of drill sgt's school to open. While waiting I went to a BCT company at Fort Ord for a two week annual training. This was a little less than a year since the start of the "All Volunteer Army", and the quality of the trainees compared to my BCT ten years earlier disappointed me. I had encounters with one in particular that I felt should have been chapptered out, don't know what happened to him. He jumped off a moving truck and tried to fake an injury. I considered providing an injury, but there was tog big of a crowd around and the BCT brigade Cmdr showed up. I wanted to drag him to the 1SG, but the colonel sent him back to the hospital. After this experience I decided to drop out of drill sgt's school.
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LCpl Todd Houston
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PV2 Cameron Hale - Seams you have received lots of good and kind advice. We all screw up, but as they say, it's what you do after that counts. We had a seargent that had the B billet of field day NCO show up 10 minutes late to field night. As a result half of everyone took off even though they knew field night still had to be done. As a result, those of us that stayed still had to complete everything for Friday a.m. inspection, which we failed. One person does make a difference!! I wont get into all the details of who was punished/couseled for what, but that seargent had a metal trash can everywhere he went for a month. Now, lets say its not formation but a firefight and you dont show up in time with more ammo. , by the time you get there your fireteam could be dead. There is a point to everything in the military. Some things you have to figure out on your own, but they are no less important. If this is something you are not willing to do, get out of the military as soon as you can. I dont know what all is involved, but there is such a thing as failure to adapt. It might be better for all involved for you to speak with base legal about this. You wont be released under honorable conditions, but it is better than a dishonorable discharge or letting down the folks in your unit because of your selfishness. Its not about you. Until you accept that, you will continue to screw up. So fix it now or get out. Waiting for the military to put you out WILL be infinately worse than doing it yourself. However, I truly hope you choose the high road and buck up, accept what you are given with a smile and put all this behind you. I never got an article 15 when I was in, but that doesn't mean I didn't deserve it. I screwed up plenty, and a lot worse than showing up late. Most of my crap involved alcohol and at least once, a full bird colonel. Good luck to you. Your gonna need it.
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SPC Cameron Hale
SPC Cameron Hale
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Thank you Lance Corporal.
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LCpl Todd Houston
LCpl Todd Houston
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SPC Cameron Hale - You are very welcome. I do want you to understand, everyone that has left comments only wants you to succeed and have a wonderful career. It does take a lot of guts to open yourself up to public scrutiny, and I truly respect that. Please take this seriously,if you do this entire ordeal can be just the thing that propels your career into overdrive as you will have learned so much you can then teach to new incoming troopers and impress your superiors. Smile and grow. Btw, thank you for your service!!!
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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Since you are still in AIT.....unless you receive a Field Grade Article 15, it will not follow you to your duty station after AIT. But what can happen for Summary and Company Grade levels (this will be up to your Cadre and Commander) are restrictions to base/specific locations, extra duty, possible loss of pay and rank. My recommendations: Get THREE alarm clocks and set them to go off 5-8 minutes apart. But also have them set to where you will be dressed and out the door and be outside ready for formation AT LEAST 15 minutes prior. Getting in trouble sucks. But, instead of focusing on the punishment, focus on the cause of the problem and move to learn from it and FIX it so it does not happen again. I'll give you praise for acknowledging you have a problem and asking for guidance. Now, again, put on your big boy pants and learn from your issues. Do your best to NOT repeat these mistakes. Also, I would recommend that you remove the (P) from your rank. All that does it pretty much draw unwanted attention to you.........especially as a PV2. Plus if anyone is Promotable and then becomes Flagged, that (P) goes bye bye.

One last word of advice/caution: When you get to your duty assignment, and you continue to have these issues of Failure to Report......the Army will have no qualms getting the paperwork ready to put you back on the street and promote you to PFC (Private Friggin Civilian).
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SPC Cameron Hale
SPC Cameron Hale
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Yes Sergeant, well the First Sergeant at my AIT always requests max punishment for every Article so it's most likely looking to be a field grade. I guess the Commander approves 90% of all his recommendations as well. It is what it is, I will take the (p) out of the rank whenever I get back on my desktop. If was kind of a joke not meant to make me seem like a jack ass. I have no further plans to be FTR in the future.
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SPC Cameron Hale - Regardless of the type you get, take the punishment and move forward to the objective. It's going to suck. I won't lie. But do not let it get you down. Keep your head up and drive on.
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SPC Cameron Hale
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MSG (Join to see) - Hooah Sergeant
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SGM Michael Taylor
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I would not only recommend UCMJ but also recommend that you be separated from the military.
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