Posted on Aug 16, 2017
What is the most appropriate way to address someone being given a false PT score, while minimizing the damage to their career?
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Apologies for my terrible English. Here is the question broken down and explained in what I hope is in better terms.
The situation is that a soldier was given a false pt score by a previous NCO for whatever reasons that he had. The soldier has now changed duty stations and was promoted to Sgt rank. She has not been pinned yet but took a diagnostic pt test and failed the pt test. Now the question is being raised about her really having a 300 pt score and she is scared and has been scared to say anything about the changing of her records. My question is what can she do as for this to not effect her career in a negative way? Especially in light of her not declining the promotion. I do understand that myself knowing what is going on and not saying anything can put me in the same boat as her. I know the wrong answer is to not say anything but what's the best way to go about doing something if anything to minimize the amount of damage done to her or multiple people's careers?
The situation is that a soldier was given a false pt score by a previous NCO for whatever reasons that he had. The soldier has now changed duty stations and was promoted to Sgt rank. She has not been pinned yet but took a diagnostic pt test and failed the pt test. Now the question is being raised about her really having a 300 pt score and she is scared and has been scared to say anything about the changing of her records. My question is what can she do as for this to not effect her career in a negative way? Especially in light of her not declining the promotion. I do understand that myself knowing what is going on and not saying anything can put me in the same boat as her. I know the wrong answer is to not say anything but what's the best way to go about doing something if anything to minimize the amount of damage done to her or multiple people's careers?
Article 15
Fraud
APFT
UCMJ
Promotions
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CPL,
The bottom line is this; if you can't prove that the score is fake then act under the presumption that it is real. Now, that Soldier needs to be flagged if she fails a Record APFT. I've been in the Army 18 years and the only diags I've ever taken we're at the beginning of an NCOES or similar military school. So I'm unsure as to why she was given a diag. Nonetheless, a record with eventually be given and if she fails then she will be flagged and consequences will occur. But as far as her being promoted in the near future, sounds like it will happen regardless of your efforts or not, Corporal. The very most that could happen would be a Commander's Inquiry on her 300 score if she fails another APFT again. But remember, people get injured and it happens all of the time. I can personally attest to this. While competing for NCO of th quarter I scored a 296 on my first APFT and failed the following APFT due to an injured during the run. This happens. So please don't assume the worst of her. I hope this helps.
The bottom line is this; if you can't prove that the score is fake then act under the presumption that it is real. Now, that Soldier needs to be flagged if she fails a Record APFT. I've been in the Army 18 years and the only diags I've ever taken we're at the beginning of an NCOES or similar military school. So I'm unsure as to why she was given a diag. Nonetheless, a record with eventually be given and if she fails then she will be flagged and consequences will occur. But as far as her being promoted in the near future, sounds like it will happen regardless of your efforts or not, Corporal. The very most that could happen would be a Commander's Inquiry on her 300 score if she fails another APFT again. But remember, people get injured and it happens all of the time. I can personally attest to this. While competing for NCO of th quarter I scored a 296 on my first APFT and failed the following APFT due to an injured during the run. This happens. So please don't assume the worst of her. I hope this helps.
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First off... he was probably balls deep in her- THAT'S his reason.
Secondly... fuck her "career". She got a copy of her APFT prior to PCS (she had daily opportunities to correct it) AND she didn't plan on saying anything until she failed her diagnostic.
Now to the important stuff: I'm going to assume this is your first time playing CYA. Tell the first line supervisor above him (i.e. PSG if he's a squad leader/1SG if it was a PSG), or just go directly to your 1SG. That gets the target off your back if it does come back; which it most likely won't- it's a fucking PT test and command has more important shit to worry about. YOURS will probably shrug it off and say it's the problem of the gaining unit.
Advise she does the same on her end as she's been found out anyway.
Secondly... fuck her "career". She got a copy of her APFT prior to PCS (she had daily opportunities to correct it) AND she didn't plan on saying anything until she failed her diagnostic.
Now to the important stuff: I'm going to assume this is your first time playing CYA. Tell the first line supervisor above him (i.e. PSG if he's a squad leader/1SG if it was a PSG), or just go directly to your 1SG. That gets the target off your back if it does come back; which it most likely won't- it's a fucking PT test and command has more important shit to worry about. YOURS will probably shrug it off and say it's the problem of the gaining unit.
Advise she does the same on her end as she's been found out anyway.
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If you don't possess the integrity to call a foul on yourself when you see something on your record you didn't earn, it is time for you and the organization to part company. it doesn't matter if that organization is a Fortune 500 company or military service. No one, in a leadership position, that does not posses internally the integrity required of the newest recruit, is disqualified from leading in my opinion.
I had to watch 36 out of 40 females in my platoon training at Field Medical Service School cheat on their graded PRT score so they could graduate the school and go on to another duty station. A male that failed that test was retained at the school until one of three things happened. He died. He left the Navy. He actually passed the school. I may be a bit biased here because I am still irritated their service record reflects on paper they achieved the same qualifications I did and they flat out didn't.
Going forward, that individual has to make things right by coming forward with the full, uncompromising truth and deal with the fall out.
I had to watch 36 out of 40 females in my platoon training at Field Medical Service School cheat on their graded PRT score so they could graduate the school and go on to another duty station. A male that failed that test was retained at the school until one of three things happened. He died. He left the Navy. He actually passed the school. I may be a bit biased here because I am still irritated their service record reflects on paper they achieved the same qualifications I did and they flat out didn't.
Going forward, that individual has to make things right by coming forward with the full, uncompromising truth and deal with the fall out.
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I think CW2 (Join to see) and 1SG (Join to see) pretty much covered everything that needs to be said.
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I think she owns this for allowing the 300 to stand. It's basically accessory after the fact.
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SSG Lloyd Price
From the OP's comments, there isn't a "fact" yet. It sounds to me like he is making an assumption and unless she has admitted to being party to a misdeed, an assumption ..... an unfounded assumption, is all he has.
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INTEGRITY MATTERS, SHE WILL BE A SHITTY LEADER IF SHE DOES NOT COME FORTH WITH THE TRUTH. PERIOD!!!!
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Soldiers generally don;t preform very well on PT tests when their ill. I suggest the soldier be given time to recoperate and try the PT test again.
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I'll be blunt here too. I would never want someone of questionable integrity under my command. Period.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
That type does have their organizational value for very specific missions...but bear close watching as they are extremely cunning and occasionally deceitful
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