Posted on Aug 16, 2017
What is the most appropriate way to address someone being given a false PT score, while minimizing the damage to their career?
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Apologies for my terrible English. Here is the question broken down and explained in what I hope is in better terms.
The situation is that a soldier was given a false pt score by a previous NCO for whatever reasons that he had. The soldier has now changed duty stations and was promoted to Sgt rank. She has not been pinned yet but took a diagnostic pt test and failed the pt test. Now the question is being raised about her really having a 300 pt score and she is scared and has been scared to say anything about the changing of her records. My question is what can she do as for this to not effect her career in a negative way? Especially in light of her not declining the promotion. I do understand that myself knowing what is going on and not saying anything can put me in the same boat as her. I know the wrong answer is to not say anything but what's the best way to go about doing something if anything to minimize the amount of damage done to her or multiple people's careers?
The situation is that a soldier was given a false pt score by a previous NCO for whatever reasons that he had. The soldier has now changed duty stations and was promoted to Sgt rank. She has not been pinned yet but took a diagnostic pt test and failed the pt test. Now the question is being raised about her really having a 300 pt score and she is scared and has been scared to say anything about the changing of her records. My question is what can she do as for this to not effect her career in a negative way? Especially in light of her not declining the promotion. I do understand that myself knowing what is going on and not saying anything can put me in the same boat as her. I know the wrong answer is to not say anything but what's the best way to go about doing something if anything to minimize the amount of damage done to her or multiple people's careers?
Article 15
Fraud
APFT
UCMJ
Promotions
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It is a smack in the face to all the soldiers who put in hard work pass the APFT and when soldiers know that leaders are other soldiers are not they lose all respect for them and that is not good for the military
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This was and still is very serious problem with the Army. It’s all on the NCOs to fix this. It’s happened and is still happening every day in uniform. Rank chasers and bullet chasers have they buddie hook them up with a PT score they really didn’t earn.
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Send her my way. Here’s the conversation: This is your only slim chance to survive this. I want a sworn statement from you as to your PT Score of record. If you wish to stand by it, that’s perfectly fine. Sign the statement and meet me at the track. I’ll give you a 15% variance, but less than that and everything is on hold while I conduct a formal investigation. On the other hand, if you now having second thoughts about this whole thing, document the actual events and be prepared to be called as a witness. Your promotion is gone, your career probably is too. But this will at least let you avoid prosecution. I’ll be back in 30 minutes.
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It is a question of integrity you either have it or you don't and she don't as well as anyone who is an accomplice to the situation. There can be no good reason for cheating or falsifying the score. Minimizing the damage will be hard if not impossible. From now on everything she does will have a question mark beside it. That is not the stuff leaders are made of. When I went throught the NCO Academy years ago we had a Sgt and a Ssg whi were caught cheating on the PT test. They were both kicked out of the academy and when they returned to their units they both received Article 15's.
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The NCO who submitted the false score and the soldier tested if she knowingly allowed the false score to move forward should both be discharged after facing charges. There’s no room for a lack of integrity. You are in a precarious situation and without a doubt go to 1stSgt. If he doesn’t do anything then go to the SgtMaj. If he doesn’t do anything go to the CO. If this pattern continues call the SgtMaj of the Army.
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An NCO or potential NCO MUST have integrity and should report this herself! Otherwise she is setting a very bad presidency.
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Integrity is the easiest thing to lose and the hardest to regain. If you’ll pencil whip one piece of paper you’ll pencil whip any piece of pape
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I agree with SGT Gunderson. I would order another PT test to be performed due to change in duty station or unit. However, do make sure is doesn’t have an injury of some sort. I remember maxing my PT test, going to a different duty station, retaking my PT test and failing. I pulled my groin muscle deadlifting. Needless to say, my groom muscle refused to warmup or work with me that day. However, a month later, I was retested and maxed my pt test. The funny thing was, I thought is could warm my muscle up and actually run, maybe not max score run, but run fast enough to pass. The answer to the question was no, evidently I couldn’t run.
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The only POSSIBLE reason I could see for a legit 300 to failure would be if this soldier had transitioned to Ft. Carson and read not given the 30 days to become acclimatized. Beyond that it was pencil whipped for promotion points.
As Top pointed out a test for record, and proceed from there.
As Top pointed out a test for record, and proceed from there.
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