What is the most appropriate way to address someone being given a false PT score, while minimizing the damage to their career?

Don’t get your panties into a wad. Everything has a way of working out to the best result. She got caught down the road! Everything will always come to light, karma is a bitch. She got caught because the system works. Officers have been cheating for years! Not all officers and not every branch, but them assholes have been and will continue to until they get caught.

Chill out. I needed shoulder surgery but i was also picked up for ANCO. I made sure I could pass the PT Test and went on to graduate ANCO. But, my SGL had me down on the Commandant’s List but I hadn’t met the standards for the List because of my shoulder. I immediately made the correction on my exit/final counseling. My mentor, CSM (ret) Thomas Bookman had a motto when we were SSG and SGTs together in Hawaii, and i live by those everyday and have taught them to my four boys.It goes like this, If you lie, you steal you cheat! If you’re willing to do one, you can do all three. Everyone has integrity until you make me question yours

Back in 1990, I was stationed on the USS Austin LPD 4. Which was turned into razor blades in 2006. We had many fat chiefs then. My LPO (lead petty officer) which ran the PT test. Which consisted of the medical and dental department. We would run the flight deck. And every pass through the start finish line. We were given popsicle sticks. And the chiefs would get two just too pass the PT test.

I'd say E4's and below are never wrong. They are only as wrong as we allow them to be, because a soldier was evaluated during an APFT and scored 300 and failed the APFT all together during a diagnostic isn't an indicator of wrong doing. However that SPC took the APFT and was evaluated by a "NON-Commissioned Officer" who in my opinion is the one with no integrity and is subject to Article 90, 91 and 92 of the UCMJ. Let's just say her APFT was recorded under false pretenses for whatever reason. The NCO Corp failed that soldier. Can you prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that she didn't obtain a 300 on her last APFT or is it speculated because she failed to achieve a 300 or even pass the APFT for that matter? It appears that the soldier if in fact was given an erroneous PT score she is learning a valuable lesson and she should be removed from the promotion list. If the NCO that graded her erroneously recorded the information on her PT test, with or without her knowledge. there is the real problem. Soldier's get away with what the NCO Corp allows them to get away with.

The fact that the individual submitted a fraudulent PT score card in order to get promoted is alarming. A few points before rendering my judgement. The military is not the civilian world when it comes to simple matters of fitness and how we administer and document such test. If the individual (regardless of gender) submits a PT scorecard for record knowingly not reflecting the actual scores demonstrates intent to deceive. Second, an individual can not administer the record PT to themselves. There must be unit published dates for record PT test approved by the unit Commander. The unit Commander has personnel appointed to administer such tests. Any other tests submitted when not adhering to such policy and published dates must be in compliance to Dept. of Army regulation/publications. Failure to comply with such regulations leaves the individual and unit vulnerable to noncompliance. I would confront the individual and other individuals who administered the test to discuss the outcome. Once I counseled those involved, I would take them all out and conduct a practice PT test and provide further guidance in terms of remedial training and punitive actions. You mentioned that you did not want to destroy their careers, but you didn't. They did! This episode can be one of a bunch of small episodes that can destroy the integrity of any unit. Lead by example!

This reminds me of a similar situation. Not exactly the same - but in principle very similar. My platoon was taking a PT test. During formation, I called for sick call, AWOL and good balls to fall out to the rear and this E-5 fell out to go to sick call. Before I could ask him, I heard one of the squad members ask him what was wrong, and I flat out heard him reply, that he was going on sick call to avoid taking the PT test which he felt he would fail. I walked up and asked him to confirm what I heard and he admitted that was his reason for sick call. At 0900 formation, I informed the 1SG I was sending this E-5 to the orderly room for him to do whatever he wanted to do with him, but he would not be in my platoon, leading soldiers. I guess fortunately for me, the 1SG not so much supported but didn't push back on my decision. He worked in the orderly room for about a year when he came back and asked if he could come return, which I allowed but on a counseled probation. FYI during the time, he was at the orderly room I set up a remedial PT program and did remedial PT with him after COB, every day. He eventually passed his PT test. But that wasn't the issue at heart, just like the issue with this individual. Yes, the failed PT test needs to be addressed but more importantly, the lack of character and integrity would be all over my radar. You cannot be an effective leader while lacking those two traits. You can't even be a dependable human without those two traits in my opinion. She needs to own up to the falsified score and the fact she failed her PT test. She does not deserve the stripes on her collar. I would find out what the deal was with this other NCO, and I would light his ass up as well. I don't want to let my imagination run on what it was - but playing favorites as a leader is one of the MOST DETRIMENTAL things you can do to your other soldiers. Even the perception of favoritism is a morale killer and that can affect operations. This needs to be nipped in the bud. Your interest should lie in preserving the quality of the NCO Corp and the ranks of the Army. It should lie to the soldiers she could potentially lead with obvious character and leadership flaws. She made this bed, she needs to sleep in it, as does the NCO who falsified her PT score.

1. If you are not involved directly, do not confront directly, you would be basing your discussion on "hearsay". You need to address the issue with your chain.
2. If what you say is true, then the NCO who documented the PT Score has failed their integrity check.
3. The SPC who is up for promotion knew the score was inaccurate and failed to say something, will face their just desserts for not soldiering up to the failure. It will effect her in a negative way. There will be corrective action, but there will be plenty of time to recover and get promoted again.
The grading NCO knows better and should face the consequences of his/her actions.
The best thing to do is get close to a 300 next record PT...then questions won't be raised.

It’s about integrity clearly she has none and I’m wondering about you as well. If you knew about this and did nothing your complicit in that fraud

If the soldier failed a diagnostic APFT she has 30 days to whip herself into shape and then take and pass a for record APFT. Diagnostic APFTs are just that. A tool with which to check a soldiers fitness level at any given time. As for the pencil 300 APFT on her promotion record, she should delay promotion, inform her 1SG of the false score, and ask for her promotion points to be recalculated after the for Record APFT. The actions of a dishonest third party should not be used against the soldier. The soldier always gets the benefit of the doubt. This is the only way I know of her to ensure that her integrity remains intact and that she maintains her credibility in the unit.

I guess my question to you is, would you want to be in a foxhole with her, get wounded and have to rely on her to drag you out and save your life? PT scores present abilities to do what is necessary in combat, period. There is no second chance in combat, nobody to rewrite the rules during engagement. 1. she did not merit her score. 2. Her score was falsely elevated. 3. How do you know this? Your knowledge, no matter its age, should still become known by the upper echelons. If you say nothing, I wish you the best in that foxhole.

I had about the same, only it was a SSG and His SP4 Driver and at was Weapons Qal. I found out that the two of them never got out of the Deuce and a Half, Tell you how I handled it., the SSg. became a SGT and the SP4 became a PFC. Oh and the SSG was on the SFC List at the Time. We were going to make it a Company Grade, but when it went forward the Bn Cdr tore it up and Made it a Field Grade. This is want should Happen to her.