Posted on Aug 16, 2017
What is the most appropriate way to address someone being given a false PT score, while minimizing the damage to their career?
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Apologies for my terrible English. Here is the question broken down and explained in what I hope is in better terms.
The situation is that a soldier was given a false pt score by a previous NCO for whatever reasons that he had. The soldier has now changed duty stations and was promoted to Sgt rank. She has not been pinned yet but took a diagnostic pt test and failed the pt test. Now the question is being raised about her really having a 300 pt score and she is scared and has been scared to say anything about the changing of her records. My question is what can she do as for this to not effect her career in a negative way? Especially in light of her not declining the promotion. I do understand that myself knowing what is going on and not saying anything can put me in the same boat as her. I know the wrong answer is to not say anything but what's the best way to go about doing something if anything to minimize the amount of damage done to her or multiple people's careers?
The situation is that a soldier was given a false pt score by a previous NCO for whatever reasons that he had. The soldier has now changed duty stations and was promoted to Sgt rank. She has not been pinned yet but took a diagnostic pt test and failed the pt test. Now the question is being raised about her really having a 300 pt score and she is scared and has been scared to say anything about the changing of her records. My question is what can she do as for this to not effect her career in a negative way? Especially in light of her not declining the promotion. I do understand that myself knowing what is going on and not saying anything can put me in the same boat as her. I know the wrong answer is to not say anything but what's the best way to go about doing something if anything to minimize the amount of damage done to her or multiple people's careers?
Article 15
Fraud
APFT
UCMJ
Promotions
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This is obviously a question of integrity and upholding the standards we expect throughout the military; but looking at one small detail:
Changing an APFT score for a soldier who can't even pass it to a 300, isn't "pencil-whipping it", it's setting them up for failure. "Pigs get fat, but hogs get slaughtered"!
Changing an APFT score for a soldier who can't even pass it to a 300, isn't "pencil-whipping it", it's setting them up for failure. "Pigs get fat, but hogs get slaughtered"!
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You have to say something. being incapable of doing her job can kill people in the field. To hell with her career if she's dishonest, you have more important things to worry about, like your fellow soldiers.
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as a corporal you just administered a PT test who to someone who was just promoted to sergeant. Since the soldier has not been pinned yet, you need to counsel the soldier and schedule a record PT test in 30 days. Take the counseling statement and the score card to your platoon sergeant. Your platoon sergeant and chain of command need to made aware of this so they can take action now or latter if the soldier fails the record test. Do not compromise you integrity for someone who cannot pass a PT test.
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Sp4…This is an easy on celebrate with a blanket party, with a wooden tent peg up his six.
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I cant believe this is even a question that needs to be asked...
Unless this soldier had a legitimate reason for failing the PT test, such as an injury, she should be adversely disciplined. This soldier was willing to accept the benefits of lying but now that she is caught, she doesn’t want to be held accountable? Her career should suffer. This type of behavior should be weeded out removed from the military. How can this soldier be a leader when any corrective action she hands out will be from a position of fraud? This type of behavior results in distrust between leaders and subordinates and breeds contempt. Junior soldiers are not dumb and most people can spot a fraudster. Remember that the NCO underground reaches everywhere.
Unless this soldier had a legitimate reason for failing the PT test, such as an injury, she should be adversely disciplined. This soldier was willing to accept the benefits of lying but now that she is caught, she doesn’t want to be held accountable? Her career should suffer. This type of behavior should be weeded out removed from the military. How can this soldier be a leader when any corrective action she hands out will be from a position of fraud? This type of behavior results in distrust between leaders and subordinates and breeds contempt. Junior soldiers are not dumb and most people can spot a fraudster. Remember that the NCO underground reaches everywhere.
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There is nothing to do but face the music. She was ready to take the all of the benefits of lying and now she must take all of the other "benefits" of lying. Sounds like she hoped to get away with being dishonest but now she is caught and now she is "sorry". This is an example of why subordinates and leaders don't trust each other. I wouldn't let her lead anyone else because anytime she has to give corrective actions she will be a hypocrite.
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This is what happens when you have toxic and failed leadership. A case SM afraid to go through his COC becuase of past bad experiences. If APFT are done in line with AR, this kind of incidence would never occur. Any of SM, PSG, Training NCO, 1SG and CO should have verified and tracked this mistake before, leaving the PT field. SM should have been flagged for a 10 days retest and given remedial PT to get back to shape. And if this is a mistake by S1, disciplinary action should not be taking on the SM as long as he/she has not knowingly taken credit for this mistake. SM should turn down the promotion, do another PT test. And if SM is injured get a profile. This is a simple case and a true test of the SM army value-integrity, SM should report immediately to his PSG before it is too late.
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