Posted on Aug 16, 2017
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Apologies for my terrible English. Here is the question broken down and explained in what I hope is in better terms.
The situation is that a soldier was given a false pt score by a previous NCO for whatever reasons that he had. The soldier has now changed duty stations and was promoted to Sgt rank. She has not been pinned yet but took a diagnostic pt test and failed the pt test. Now the question is being raised about her really having a 300 pt score and she is scared and has been scared to say anything about the changing of her records. My question is what can she do as for this to not effect her career in a negative way? Especially in light of her not declining the promotion. I do understand that myself knowing what is going on and not saying anything can put me in the same boat as her. I know the wrong answer is to not say anything but what's the best way to go about doing something if anything to minimize the amount of damage done to her or multiple people's careers?
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MSG(P) Brigade S4 Logistics Ncoic
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note till given a for record PT test there is no flagging actions that should be taken, but I would look to see if there is a major change in the trend for prior PT tests given. 300 to below low passing is a sign of either a greater issues or a failure of the prior leadership to be honest with the solider and yourself.
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Cpl Tyler Therrien
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I agree with The CW2. this person now that SHE KNOWS the PT score is pencil whipped need to have a little integrity and correct the issue
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Sgt Peter Schlesiona
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If you’re sure the previous test results were falsified - and the failure confirmed by the new test, why would you even ask this question? YOU have an obligation as an NCO to call attention to falsification of the official record. As far as your position is concerned, you want to minimize embarrassment and career damage. Why are you putting that on yourself? The people involved know what they did and know it was wrong. They brought consequences on themselves so you need not concern yourself with anything other than reporting the situation to
Since you apparently are sure, then the person in question must also know and is complicit in the falsification. The “feelings” of those involved are absolutely irrelevant. Again, Corporal, you’re an NCO. Do the right thing or surrender your stripes.
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SFC Aubrey Campbell
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Many of us have seen this movie and some of us have starred in it. Keep it real! She got caught and will ultimately face the consequences of her action. We have all seen career ending events during our service. However, I have also have seen soldiers go down the toilet and rise from the ashes. Let's not make this thread seem like the end of the world for these soldiers involved. Tomorrow will come, and the monster we see on that day will be our only concern.

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PO3 Michael MacKay
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She needs to get off her ass get into shape fast and pass her PT test. That or just take the damage and move on.
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SSG Rafael Rodriguez
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This should not happen from the get go!!! You knew this was not the right thing to do, it should have been stopped at the time back then. Now you're a part of setting this Soldier for failure!!!! The Unit training NCO also should have known that this Female Soldier did not previously had a 300 PT score. it has to be corrected, The Female Soldier has to come up straight along with you for knowing and not correcting the deficiency back then. Take appropriate remedial training and set up that Soldier for success!!! The new pt test coming up next year is not forgiving at all, get acquainted with it; its called the new army PT test, age and gender neutral. see; https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/07/09/a-new-army-pt-test-is-on-its-way-this-is-not-a-drill/.
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COL Deputy Chief Of Staff
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Why did she not fix this if she knew it was wrong? If she had the chance to fix this and she knew it was false that shows a sincere lack of integrity on her part. She should suffer the consequences of her actions. Also, the NCO that falsified the results must suffer consequences for his actions too.
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LCpl Michael Harrell
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I’ve spent most of my life around and in the military, my father was a SgtMj in the army and many uncles cousins and brothers all have served throughout the branches. It all boils down to honor and integrity period! If she was falsely score a 300 and she knows weather she did or not, the scoring novo is Derelict in his duty as an NCO, and having obtained the rank of NCO, she is derelict for not having challenged that score. If you can’t admit a flaw in a minor level how can you be trusted on an issue at a greater level?!
The answer is you can’t. You jeopardize your honor and integrity as well as your truthfulness. Instead of worrying about her career she should get out in front of it by being honest, take the hit and do better in the future. The scoring NCO should stand before the man and take his or her lumps as well. Basically put, do what you know is the right thing even when no one is watching and you won’t have your ass in a crack. It is the backbone of morals ethics and scruples!
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SGT Reinaldo Rios
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Remember NCO teach with the example if She or He get into a misión and something went wrong and life or jail time is in the table would you or other can Trust that soldier ... it is not matter of save your skin is matter of honesty and integrity those thing we as leaders Cannot allow to lose or forget.Talk to your supervisor and see what alternatives the chain of command find to fix that situation .drive on corporal...att sgt r rios retired.
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If this person knows that she was given a false PT score and accepted it, it shows a major lack of integrity. I would not want for her, or anyone else to be in a leadership position. Both this soldier and the "rater" both need to be punished under the UCMJ, whether it be an Article 15 or a letter of reprimand or whatever. If you know that this situation, your lack of integrity needs to be addressed as well.
I was victimized by receiving a lower score than should have been received to prevent me from being deployed on a MEDRET due to being outspoken about the handling of sexual abuse of lower enlisted in my unit that the command knew about and covered up.
If you don't have the integrity to report that you KNOW is wrong in a minor situation, you will definitely not do so when it comes to a major situation.
I have had commanders and others that I had the privilege to serve with that I would die for to this day, with no questions asked. There are others that I would would have a difficult time following to the latrine, let alone in combat.
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