Posted on Jun 2, 2014
What is the optimal # of "testees" in an APFT line?
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CSM Maynard,
Two times the number of males in line. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
I think eight is optimal. Ten is too many because you'll be bumping up against the 2-hour time limit, depending on how slow the instruction-reader reads and demonstrates.
Fewer than eight means less time to relax and hydrate between events.
Two times the number of males in line. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
I think eight is optimal. Ten is too many because you'll be bumping up against the 2-hour time limit, depending on how slow the instruction-reader reads and demonstrates.
Fewer than eight means less time to relax and hydrate between events.
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1SG (Join to see)
SPC Thundercloud, you have to take into account collateral damage from IED strikes!! I knew a guy that lost one due that very scenario!
I have to admit though, that was the best response I have seen all day and it did make me laugh! For that I thank you.
I have to admit though, that was the best response I have seen all day and it did make me laugh! For that I thank you.
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CSM Mike Maynard
Well, well, well - yep, you all got me on that one. No double meaning intended, but....................
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CSM, the FM states it should be a 1:8 ratio for graders. Anything over 1:11 would surpass the maximum 20 minute rest period for certain Soldiers.
While it isn't always feasible I believe 1:6 is ideal because it allows for immediate transition between events. When number six finishes push-ups number one has had a ten minute break and can begin sit-ups.
While it isn't always feasible I believe 1:6 is ideal because it allows for immediate transition between events. When number six finishes push-ups number one has had a ten minute break and can begin sit-ups.
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SPC K.,
A-34 says, "One event scorer for every eight Soldiers being tested." You can Ctrl-F for that or, better yet, read FM 7-22.
A-34 says, "One event scorer for every eight Soldiers being tested." You can Ctrl-F for that or, better yet, read FM 7-22.
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Here is what FM 7-22 says
APFT PERSONNEL
A-34. The following personnel are recommended for administration of the APFT:
OIC and/or NCOIC.
Event supervisor.
One event scorer for every eight Soldiers being tested.
Timer and back-up timer.
Required support personnel.
APFT PERSONNEL
A-34. The following personnel are recommended for administration of the APFT:
OIC and/or NCOIC.
Event supervisor.
One event scorer for every eight Soldiers being tested.
Timer and back-up timer.
Required support personnel.
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No book answer.
SSG Scudder was correct - 6 in a line. And it is for the exact reason he stated. As soon as the last person does push-ups, the first person has had there 10min rest, so you can begin sit-ups immediately.
6 in a line enables you to finish the test in the quickest amount of time possible.
SSG Scudder was correct - 6 in a line. And it is for the exact reason he stated. As soon as the last person does push-ups, the first person has had there 10min rest, so you can begin sit-ups immediately.
6 in a line enables you to finish the test in the quickest amount of time possible.
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1SG (Join to see)
CSM, there is a book answer. FM 7-22 recommends One event scorer for every eight Soldiers being tested.
It is not a requirement as much as a recommendation. The word you used "optimal" is subjective to ones own perspective.
It is not a requirement as much as a recommendation. The word you used "optimal" is subjective to ones own perspective.
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MSG Martin C.
There is always the optimal number given by the FM. But in reality is all dependent of amount graders, number of individuals taking the APFT. In Basic training we had to test up to 240 Soldiers so we had different concepts of operations. They way I ran it was by staggering the times I would begin the APFT at 04:30 at the company with 10 lanes immediately after we would had a team at the track waiting to do the run . We would separate the company in half not by PLT but by running time scores allowing the fastest individuals to test first. By the time the 1st wave was done running the second wave was on their way for the run. Again different mission but we had to considered time constraints with chow, heat mitigation and the fact that the entire Battallion had to test as well.
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I believe there is a book answer CSM however I am to lazy to looking it up. I believe it is one grader per 12 Soldiers off the top of my head. However in the basic training world we usually have upwards of 20 Soldiers per line. I know when I went to Airborne School there must have been atleast 30-40 in that line.
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CSM Mike Maynard
SSG Morgan, if you had 40 in a line, that would be a 78min+ rest period between push-ups and sit-ups - I think that may violate the max rest period between events. Additionally, the total time for that test would have been over the 2-hr max that SSG Adkins mentioned also.
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Roger CSM.. that PT Test was different because in Airborne School you only do to the 17-21 y/o age group and get up. So for me I did my 42 pushups and got up and went to back of line then repeated with Sit-ups that's how I think they get away with it there.
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CSM,
While I know it has been over a year since I discussed this interesting topic with you, I discovered something new that the writers of FM 7-22 have not taken into account.
The FM has the requirement that each Soldier be given 10-20 minutes of rest between events. However they also state that the number of Soldiers per line is a max of 8. But what they do not consider is transition time. I just observed an APFT in which it was approximately one minute from stop to the next Soldier beginning. With 8 Soldiers in a line that is 16 minutes of execution and 8 minutes of transition making 21 minutes per event.
While I know it has been over a year since I discussed this interesting topic with you, I discovered something new that the writers of FM 7-22 have not taken into account.
The FM has the requirement that each Soldier be given 10-20 minutes of rest between events. However they also state that the number of Soldiers per line is a max of 8. But what they do not consider is transition time. I just observed an APFT in which it was approximately one minute from stop to the next Soldier beginning. With 8 Soldiers in a line that is 16 minutes of execution and 8 minutes of transition making 21 minutes per event.
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CSM Mike Maynard
MSG (Join to see) , yep, lets look at the math on this one.
Let's use your figures for execution & transition.
When the first person completes their pushups, 7 more folks have to complete their pushups + transition, which would be 14 minutes. Additionally, the 8th person must get their minimum 10 minutes of rest also, which would make the first person getting 24 minutes of rest, which would violate the 20min max. So, in order for 8 folks to test, there can only be a 30-sec transition. This way the first person gets no more than 20min rest and the last person gets no less than 10min rest.
Let's use your figures for execution & transition.
When the first person completes their pushups, 7 more folks have to complete their pushups + transition, which would be 14 minutes. Additionally, the 8th person must get their minimum 10 minutes of rest also, which would make the first person getting 24 minutes of rest, which would violate the 20min max. So, in order for 8 folks to test, there can only be a 30-sec transition. This way the first person gets no more than 20min rest and the last person gets no less than 10min rest.
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You can get all of the details for administering the APFT in the new Army Physical Readiness Training Manual FM 7-22
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By the reg you want an 8:1 ratio in an APFT line. At this ratio it will take about 14 to 20 min to complete the first two APFT events. Keep in mind you only have 2 hours from the first push up to complete the entire APFT. This does not include the 10 min required break after the last sit up before the run.
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If I am not mistaking, there is 1 grader per 15 testees. But the question was "per line". So 6-8 would be ideal
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I prefered 0 especially when I had to be in that line. :-)
we usually had 5-6 and that worked out well
we usually had 5-6 and that worked out well
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