Posted on Oct 23, 2015
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What is it that the cadre and policy makers in NCOES schools think they are accomplishing by suppressing 240 years of culture. Secondly, I don't know of anyone who after the school was like "oh I better not cuss now I'm a warrior leader"
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SSG Daniel Deiler
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Drinking was and could still certainly be argued that drinking is a huge part of Military culture. It has attributed to many deaths, injuries, broken families and dreams, and has killed many a career. I doubt you would advocate that alcohol be glorified and supported by today's professional Soldier. Just like the glorification of alcohol, cussing is neither professional not conducive to a professional work environment. We're not talking about when bullets are flying...but when in a garrison or work environment, (whether that is at a range, an office or the bay of the motor pool) cussing has no place in the profession of Arms or oft used tool in a leaders toolbox.
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CW3 Jim Norris
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MSG Master Leader Course Facilitator
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It's a matter of professionalism and maturity. You will get there
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SFC James Needles
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Curtailing the use of profanity in WLC or any NCOES course for that matter is not about suppressing a culture or tradition. It is entirely about focusing on the course work to make your self a better NCO and leader. Its about professionalism and using tact to express your concerns, points of view, instructions and motivating others. No one expects all soldiers to just stop swearing because they set foot into an NCO Academy, that's just not going to happen. When you, however, as an NCO are conducting training you need the soldiers you are training to be focused on the training material and the lessons. Use of profanity can often be a distraction to the troops. I know this from personal experience, having been the NCO conducting training and reading AAR's later on and being advised by my superiors that my use of profanity was not only offensive to some of the soldiers but was also a distraction. That happened only one time. If you cant effectively train and get the information to your soldiers then your not effective as an NCO. I was once told that swearing does not impress people, it merely shows how illiterate you are.
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1SG Operations Sergeant
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It has been said clearly by many in several different ways about professionalism to your post, this includes the regulation govern this action.

Remember, we are an example to what the World sees and our actions however small and minuet changes the worlds view, simply, we're Ambassadors like it or not.

When a Soldier makes a mistake, it doesn't single them out but brands the Military or specifically the branch that owns them within their ranks. People formulate opinions based on our actions and the results taken especially when it violates their opinion to what should've been done. Not to stray too far off, we tend to want more severe punishment for others but mercy when we're in the line of fire.

There's many regulations, MILPER messages and policies that are not adhered too but over the years have been updated and brought to light to change a pattern of behavior that has caused much incidents and concerns within the unit, battalion, etc., the military branch or DoD.

The truth, professionalism is a must, would working at a Top 500 organization be acceptable with this behavior? Would it create workplace hardship? Professionalism to how we speak and carry ourselves is critical for effective communication that leads into diversity. Diversity has many avenues [layers] that goes beyond race, color, gender, sexual orientation, religion, socioeconomics, etc. The point... The Military has a "Zero Tolerance" for EO situations among other areas such as SHARP, Drugs, etc.

My advise to those wanting a deeper understanding, not just the, "Regulation say so" but to be able to advise those who needs a better understanding, research diversity and workplace hostilities. Look at languages in the workplace. None of us wants to be belittled so we shouldn't do it ourselves, therefore we need to learn better ways to communicate effectively to bridge together our differences and become a better T.E.A.M.-S. (Together Each Achieve More - Successfully). As NCOs we need to keep it N.C.O. (Neat Clean and Orderly).

This was suppose to be my two cents but I seemed to have drop a few more coins.

To close, In 2006, when I was an instructor at WLC, an incident occurred when some Soldiers were playing and asking questions about a scene in Living Color to which a Soldier who was an MP stated the correct answer using the N-word. This sparked several issues the following day later when the instructor present said everyone laughed.

The point, the regulation clearly states the use of certain words that resulted in the Soldier [MP] not being able to work traffic and endure other issues with his unit.

Certain professions must watch these strict guidelines as there job depends upon professionalism, such as law enforcement, medical, dental, etc.

This is not the complete reason for not cursing but it should help clarify some possible reasons, besides, if my children curse, well, I don't need a regulation to take action.
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SSgt Alex Robinson
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Look at it this way the use of profanity is often thought to show a lack of command of the English language. If you want to get your point across speak to people with respect. Many people such as myself feel the use of profanity is not necessary and unprofessional
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CW5 Jim Steddum
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So, the line in the NCO Creed... "No one is more professional than I..." I realize the Creed is younger than me, but does it suppress NCOs--or does professionalism not include refraining from uncontrolled profanity?
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SSG David Spooner
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You can be professional and not curse. Yeah, I've dropped my fair share of F bombs and other 4 letter words, which were usually directed at a Soldier who had stepped on his johnson. But the most effective butt chewing I recieved in my 20+ years involved no loud voice, almost zero eye contact and not a single cuss word. When I left MSG Duvalls office, I walked under the door. So you can get your point across extremely effectively and not use a loud or profane voice.
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MSG Kevin Elliott
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It has always been about professionalism, and I'll date myself my saying I went through PNCOC in 1981, BNCOC in 1984, and ANCOC in 1987. It was like that back then, but that didn't mean you wouldn't be taken to the woodline for a little one-on-one, that might include some profanity.
One of my Brigade Commanders explained that he used language appropriate to the situation. This was based on his experiences in Viet Nam and people getting wounded and killed because he flet he didn't get the point across when he didn't curse. Great leader, no matter what.
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Huh? I went in 2011, and I don't remember hearing that one. Maybe its new. Perhaps its about learning "professionalism". I do know that in combat arms, the Infantry specifically, you don't greet people in the morning without dropping F-bombs regardless of the rank of those doing the greeting. Even in the Reserves there is cussing, but not in WLC now...okay.
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SSG CH-47 Helicopter Repairer
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I can see why they are doing it. I always here the term the Army is a Profession and we are Professionals, so with my thinking is if we are going to walk around as professionals then we better start talking like professionals, I have asked Senior NCOs and Officers alike to please watch their mouths in my work are. I am not saying that i dont cuss or things like that but the work place isnt the best place to drop the F-Bomb 20 times in a conversation.
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