Posted on Apr 22, 2016
SSG Bethany Viglietta
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I am an Army Recruiter and it would be great to share.

As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?

Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.

Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
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COL Ramon Nadal
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I am one of those who opposes females in the infantry because I have sen a fair amount of serious infantry battle (think LZ XRAY), but your question is of interest to me as I believe that I need to help all soldiers succeed. I have never given this any thought before but, off the top of my head here is what I think;
1. Sexuality among 20 year old males is always on their mind. So, young females need to be aware that they will be looked at and thought of as sexual objects and learn to comport themselves in a manner that reduces sexual attractiveness. Be professional and friendly but do not play favorites with soldiers of your unit because that will create schisms in the unit. Hopefully, the soldiers will treat them as their sister rather than as a potential sexual partner. If a soldier behaves inappropriately tell him you don't appreciate that. If it continues let the chain of command know.
Never get drunk at a party or with your fellow soldiers. Think of all the date rape that happens at colleges.
2 Be prepared to live with little or no privacy when in the field, or, more important, in combat. Think how you will survive two or three weeks in a jungle setting without changing clothes, with the enemy around you, and occasionally bathing naked in a stream.
3. Be super professional in your MOS. Do more than your share. Everyone is prepared to notice and remember if the "girl" couldn't carry the machine gun or the radio when going up the side of a mountain.
4. You will, in all likelihood, be the only female in the platoon or even the company. There are not likely to be too many women volunteer for the infantry so learn to rely on yourself for intimate conversations. Remember, men like to talk about their sexual adventures so don't give them something to talk about.
5. In combat, be courageous.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
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COL Ramon Nadal Thank you sir! That's sound advice. #4 might be my favorite because whether or not you give them something to talk about, the men tend to talk. I laughed about all the rumors on my way back out of country because my soldiers finally told me what the infantry talked about when I wasn't around. Turns out according to the sewing circle, I had slept with at least half the leadership and my partner in crime or I was an ice queen. Either way, their stories had no merit well maybe other than the ice queen part.
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LTC Chief, Assistances And Investigations
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SSG Bethany Viglietta - My second combat tour, I apparently slept with 4 men in the space of the 2 weeks upon my arrival...because I was friendly and willing to jump in and learn, be part of the team. It's a common rumor about females. And "Ice Queen" would have been nicer than some of the names I was called.
Over the years, I've had to tell young LTs how to sit like a lady, I've seen females allow men to put collars on them and walk them like dogs through barracks, I've seen the same female start outbreaks of VD twice in one deployment, etc, etc.
These females who want be the first have got to know they are setting the standard for all those who follow after. More power to them. I hope they not only succeed, but find what they are looking for in the process. It's not going to be an easy task to change a social norm and culture. It can be done, but it will be one battle and accomplishment at a time and all uphill in loose sand.
I think the Colonel's comments are pretty appropriate and accurate.
I don't think many men are wanting females to fail, but that won't stop them from pointing it out either if they do/can't keep up. However....they point it out when a male can't keep up too.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
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LTC (Join to see) - Ma'am, I was trying to be polite Ice Queen was the name with the least profanity. You must have been busy during those two weeks. I joked with the guys that if I got laid as often as they rumored, I would be less of an "Ice Queen". The females will have to hold themselves to high standards, and not be the "stereotype" in order to succeed in these environments.
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LTC Chief, Assistances And Investigations
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If I had slept with as many men as I was accused of, I'd still be on my back. Got the politeness. :)
Perhaps it won't always be a struggle, but the real change has to happen in our towns and cities first, in the home. We are just a cross section of the American people, we get some of all of it...the good, bad, ugly, and part of each stereo type.
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SGT Dave Tracy
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I'm of two minds about this topic, which you may discern, but as was said, that "ship has sailed". As for my advice, I'll keep it specific to Infantry as that is the combat arm I am familiar with.

To start, the politicians, "activists" and other assorted characters who have NEVER done the job have been treating women completing basic training (OSUT) as the goal; like it's the finish line of a race and ignoring or giving short shrift to the years-long job that follows graduation. Getting your Blue Cord simply buys your ticket into the "big race". Don't get me wrong, OSUT is hard, and it should remain so. Some activist may decide that our standards are not "fair", though I assure you our enemies don't care about an activist's idea of "fairness", but they're damn grateful if we do lower our standards. Ignorant activists should never set standards, and "you" (i.e.: women, not you specifically) shouldn't let them! Undoubtedly there are women who CAN graduate from Sand Hill Infantry OSUT without having the standards lowered for them, and it's patronizing to those women to have someone make things "easier" for them when it's not beneficial or needed.

Now, let's move on to the "big race"; and understand it's a marathon.

It's long days and long nights. It's living for many weeks--not days--in the field. It's bad food. It's no showers. It's little sleep. It's motivationally salty language used since time immemorial. It's constant training. It's fighting in close quarters. It's going to be a job where nearly all the men around you either do not want you there, may not trust your abilities as a Grunt or may feel some misplaced chivalrous responsibility for you. It's inherently dangerous work even when training. It's a lot of weight on your back. It's living in close quarters in a training or combat environment where special accommodations may not be possible. It's dress right, dress. It's pooping in a hole you dug behind a cactus. It's sleeping in dirt. It's often hard, monotonous, grinding physical work. It ain't Hollywood.

So my advice relates to the latter paragraph. If you are a woman, and you want to join combat arms, specifically the Infantry--particularly if you're one of the 1st to do so--know that if you're determined enough and physically ready, you can graduate as an Infantryman, BUT you absolutely need to understand that there is so much more that will follow. Know all you're getting into and make yourself ready for that.
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SGT Dave Tracy
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PO2 David Welch - Thank you.
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SSG Mike Merritt
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Great write up from what I am going to say is probably a great leader of men!
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Thanks.
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COL Ramon Nadal
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Well said.
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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1. Insist on being treated like everybody else. Neither accept nor request any special consideration due to your sex, age, or anything else.
2. Don't be afraid to seek medical treatment for legitimate injuries. If you are hurt, you and the Service gain nothing by you "playing hurt."
3. Accept the fact that you may have to work twice as hard at everything and be twice as good just to be respected as a member of the team.
4. Have a sense of humor.
5. 20 years from now, that which is novel and exciting will be no big deal.
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PV2 Marge Carden
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Females have been in combat zones forever now they are being recognized for being there. My advice for anyone male or female if you CAN NOT do the job go in a different direction. Women have worked too hard to earn respect to have it thrown away by someone not mentally or physically able to do the job. ( When I served in the late 70's we had to work twice as hard to prove we could do our jobs and nothing made me madder than to see a girl bat her eyes to get a man to carry her stuff or do her job for her. It was a insult to all of the women that had taken crap for her to be there.)
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LTC Gregory Bishop
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My advice is just meet the standard and don't accept the DoD's urge to lower them. I think that if a group of women service members (enlisted and officer leadership) collectively sent a message to DoD leadership expressing that while they appreciate the DoD's confidence and support, they (women) don't want the standards to be dropped just in order to get females in the combat ranks. Women would gain respect from the entire force and possibly help prevent this political move from getting out of hand.
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MAJ Bill Maynard
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Well sir, too bad the "political move" is already waaaaaay out of hand...
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Be sure of the your commitment. No one will judge you unfairly if your abilities fall short. If your commitment falls short, you risk that label being generally applied to everyone who follows behind you.
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It is only Human Nature to "Judge" inaccordanse to "Pass Action".
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Females are already in combat arms units. We lead in them, we command in them. We all know that, we just serve in different capacities. Many of us have run the gauntlet and earned respect by being able to keep up and know our craft.
But there are some disturbing trends over the years I've noticed while serving in combat arms units.
First of all, respect yourself. Don't compromise. Do not give anyone any reason to question your integrity.
Second, do not ask or demand special treatment. You are an example which will reflect on the rest of us. You had better be tough. Tougher than you ever thought possible.
Third, learn to pee where the boys do. Learn how to clean your body quickly and thoroughly so you don't get sick.
Forth, do not be the female that lets every man "run through" her. I had the most problems with females trying to fit in by letting themselves be passed around.
Fifth, never lose control of yourself. Not just emotionally or mentally, but physically. If you're not able to drink and keep up, don't.
Sixth, start working on your run, push ups, and trigger squeeze now.
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PFC Francis Ramseyer - which indicates you have an issue controlling your thoughts. Because women up front is not a normal thing, yet, it'll take time to weed people like you out, to change the culture.
BTW, I am logistics. I still commanded in an Infantry Brigade, in combat. I brought all my Soldiers home. Being in logistics doesn't remove the threat on the battlefield. It increases it. Why? Bc to disrupt the enemy, you take out their supply chain.
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PFC Francis Ramseyer
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You are right ! When I did my BT at Fort Ord, back in 1962, WAC were on a compound, with MP watching up the whole night against intruder. Their are basic differences between men and women and if I never was attracted by men, I always was by women. My thoughts will not change. I belong to a Club where women are not accepted because by their sole presence, they would disrupt the concentration of the members. I believe in women and in my career I promoted a lot of women because of their superior intelligence over men, so I don't thing I am a macho !
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LTC Nancy Bodyk (Retired)
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PFC Francis Ramseyer - If a woman is going to distract you when you need to focus, maybe you need to work on having control.
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First, this is going to be hard. If you're doing this for any other reason besides your burning desire to be the tip of the spear and take it to the enemy, find another MOS. You are going to be breaking barriers...with your face, your fists and your heart. When your fists and face run out (and it will), your heart better be HUGE. People are going to try and drag you down. You are going to be carrying the weight of future female combat soldiers in your rucksack every day. That combined weight will feel like a yoke dragging you down. Find someone to talk to...a senior female enlisted member or officer. It will help. Be a bitch. Be proud of it. Own it. Every good female officer I have known has been labeled an ice-queen or a bitch by someone. It's a label of pride. That means men who are incompetent, ignorant and feel threatened by a powerful and competent woman see you as capable. It is unfortunate, but again...this is going to be hard. 25 years from now, it won't be as hard. 50 years from now, it will be normal. 100 years from now, we will question why we even thought about keeping women out of this line of work...but right now...it's going to suck. You still want to sign up? Good. Put your big girl pants on and ruck up. Make history. Don't take any shit. Give it as good as you get it. Stay strong. If you quit...you quit for everyone.
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Oh...and all that EO stuff? Keep it in your hip pocket. If you use it early and often, you are going to screw this up. Be tough. You are going to see guys naked. A lot. Figure it out. They are going to see you in some form of undress. Figure it out. Talk about the field. Talk about hardship and pain and deprivation, the cold, the heat, the blood. If you have someone that thinks this sounds wonderful, you might have an infantrywoman.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
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COL (Join to see) - Sir, this quote is on point and maybe gave me some chills. I will be borrowing it in the future. "You are going to be carrying the weight of future female combat soldiers in your rucksack every day. "
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SPC Michael Mullins
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My only advise is to not wear your emotions on your sleeve, and remember the type of soldier that makes the best grunt tends to walk a thin line between confident and cocky so they may seem arrogant. Also grunts are highly competitive so don't be afraid to push yourself to be as good as or better than them in any event, pt included.
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SPC Michael Mullins
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Sorry I left something out. Don't make excuses whether its because you are a woman, or because you are small, or any other reason you can think of. the combat arms mentality is if you are to weak get stronger, if you are to dumb get smarter, and if you can't get stronger or smarter than push harder.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
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MSG Tom Earley - SPC Michael Mullins

The alpha personality is everything! Great comments.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
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TSgt Hunter Logan - Absolutely, I will share that with our Future Soldiers and agreed on only using the woman card on the enemy. That's a great way to put it.
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Do your job! The military isn't what you thought it would be. Nor is it what the men thougjt it would be. DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD! Unless it is immoral or will harm you.
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My bad i cant spell....
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
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SSG (Join to see) - I totally get that especially when I send comments from my phone. Great comment!
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