Posted on May 13, 2014
What is your favorite "Officer vs. NCO" anecdote?
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Give us your best Officers vs. NCOs anecdote. Can be anything, but stay professional.
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Not really sure its an anecdote, but it was something to behold though.....Once at FT Irwin, I was walking up to the PX entrance, there ahead just in front of the door was this brand new 2LT and he was talking with the 11th ACR Regimental CSM. I didn't hear the initial start of the convo, but I did here, much to my shock, was the 2LT tell the CSM that since he was an officer, that the CSM needs to stand at the position of attention while addressing the 2LT. To which the CSM did exactly that, he stood at attention, but the last words I heard him say was "Sir, you are right but just remember, I have my star. You still have yet to get yours."
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Korea 1992 during an ARTEP for 1/503 INF
In the field with my right hand, Platoon Sergeant, SFC Benjamin Moultrie, IV. I've always had the benefit of serving with some great Non-Commissioned Officers (NCOs) And SFC Moultrie was the first of them. He was happy because he never had the opportunity to break in a new 2nd Lieutenant so we ended up having a very strong and rewarding relationship!!
"Tanks" for the great memories SFC Moultrie!!
In the field with my right hand, Platoon Sergeant, SFC Benjamin Moultrie, IV. I've always had the benefit of serving with some great Non-Commissioned Officers (NCOs) And SFC Moultrie was the first of them. He was happy because he never had the opportunity to break in a new 2nd Lieutenant so we ended up having a very strong and rewarding relationship!!
"Tanks" for the great memories SFC Moultrie!!
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Cpl Dennis F.
Great photo. I miss my tanks!
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca Wish I had had one for my three Interstate, 35 mile commutes, with a SUV open season day thrown in. Would have really knocked down the stress levels.
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca Wish I had had one for my three Interstate, 35 mile commutes, with a SUV open season day thrown in. Would have really knocked down the stress levels.
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My adopted brother is an officer (former enlisted). I always tried to get him to come over to my side of the woods (SOF) because I figured it'd be really cool if he was my CO, and I was his 1SG. I figured we could have yelling matches in each others offices so that all the Soldiers could hear us, and then we could come out of the office and be best friends. Figured it'd be a riot. He never did come over (stayed infantry) and now he's about to pin MAJ.
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I was a patrolman down at Naval Weapons Charleston, SC a few years back. Our department head was a lieutenant (O-3) who was a sub nuke by trade (you probably see where this is going). One [dreadful] afternoon I get a call from dispatch to back HIM up on a traffic pull over. I pull up with my blue lights, gun, cuffs, vest, the whole nine yards. He's wearing his service uniform, no protection, no gun, just cell talking to dispatch. He manually FLAGGED down a car and wanted ME to write up a knucklehead that he OBSERVED going a bit too fast. Needless to say, our base commander had him for dinner. He went back on subs. The end.
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Since it is in good fun....
Senior NCO to young troops-Don't call me Sir, I work for a living!
BWAHAHA.
Of course, some 28 years later, I was in a position to be comparing apples to apples (paychecks) with a LtCol who is a very close friend, with same amount of TIS that I have, I was E-7 at time, his take home while deployed was fully double what mine was. And to be clear-I was working!
He had that last laugh. It is not all about the money, but money does matter (try paying your bills without it!).
I encourage my guys to follow their hearts-if that means seeking a commission, go for it. If they do, to never forget where they came from, the struggles of Troops, the sacrifices of the NCO Corps, who carries the service on their back. There is just no substitute for a solid NCO.
Senior NCO to young troops-Don't call me Sir, I work for a living!
BWAHAHA.
Of course, some 28 years later, I was in a position to be comparing apples to apples (paychecks) with a LtCol who is a very close friend, with same amount of TIS that I have, I was E-7 at time, his take home while deployed was fully double what mine was. And to be clear-I was working!
He had that last laugh. It is not all about the money, but money does matter (try paying your bills without it!).
I encourage my guys to follow their hearts-if that means seeking a commission, go for it. If they do, to never forget where they came from, the struggles of Troops, the sacrifices of the NCO Corps, who carries the service on their back. There is just no substitute for a solid NCO.
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not really an officer vs nco moment, but whats the difference between a pfc and a 2LT?
the PFC has generally been in the army a year.
the PFC has generally been in the army a year.
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SPC Charles Brown
That is rough SGT C. Funny but rough. You know how sensitive the 2nd LT's are. That is like saying you know you are lost when the 2nd LT has the compass and map and in charge of the platoon maneuver.
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SFC (Join to see)
im not gonna say i've seen a 2lt get lost with a dagr, but you can't spell lost without lt :P
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SPC Charles Brown
From deep in the heart of the woodline comes the radio call Lima Lima Mike Fostrot Over. Guess whose running the show?
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The most fun I ever had was at the expense of my drunken squad leader in Korea during my second tour. Every time we would go to the field this dumb sob would make sure he had enough alcohol to last the entire field exercise. However, before pulling out of the motor pool he would get drunk and usually fall off of the track on the way out of the gate. He would have to catch a ride with whichever track came up next to him after he picked himself up off of the ground. I laughed the entire trip the first time this happened. I got to run the track while he was trying to catch up to us.
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In GTMO my SNCO, and long time mentor - Don, Lord knows I love you - had a major (even though I was only a captain at the time) disagreement on something. We'd known each other for like 10 years but this was the first time we actually had a command relationship. we got into a hot debate, I believe over a NCOER rating/comment for one of our E-6s that I senior rated. First time we ever had anything close to a disagreement and this was a doozy!
Next morning after we cooled off, he presents me with a fully completed OER and counselling statement (minus signatures) with a few choice needs to improve comments under leadership.We talked things out as we always did, and brought things to an amicable solution at which point we hugged (as all adult Italian males do) and both laughed our butts off. Next morning we were back to being buddies, up at 0430 running with the banana rats.
Next morning after we cooled off, he presents me with a fully completed OER and counselling statement (minus signatures) with a few choice needs to improve comments under leadership.We talked things out as we always did, and brought things to an amicable solution at which point we hugged (as all adult Italian males do) and both laughed our butts off. Next morning we were back to being buddies, up at 0430 running with the banana rats.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
*coughs*clears throat*
I mean...that is very professional and MANLY sir!
Glad to see us all getting along :)
I mean...that is very professional and MANLY sir!
Glad to see us all getting along :)
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
See SSG Woods, that's what happens in the guard were we all get to know each other too long for our own good! :-)
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Can't think of any right now, but look forward to hearing from the peanut gallery.
At this stage in my career, I'm privileged to be working with lots of mid to sr level NCOs. We're one team one fight.
At this stage in my career, I'm privileged to be working with lots of mid to sr level NCOs. We're one team one fight.
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I was a young 2ndLt stationed at MCBH Kaneohe Bay in the late ‘90s. We had just completed the NAS Barbers Point integration into our small slice of paradise and the Wing CG (LtGen, 3 star for you navy types) came over from Okinawa to do a dog-and-pony show.
We had an Officers All-Call at the O-club for some “Professional Military Education” where the CG basically got up and gave a 7 minute “Good Job, keep up the good work” kind of talk, and promptly dismissed us all to the bar. So we are all thinking that we have been spared a “Death by Power Point” situation and can get a couple of beers before knocking off for the day.
I am in one corner of the bar area with about 6 other 2ndLts and a couple of Ensigns with a 1stLt thrown in for good measure. We are safely ensconced away from the field grade and above, with a buffer of Salty Captains in between.
Out of nowhere the CG appears and inserts himself into our small enclave. We immediately come to attention and he puts us at ease, and he mirthfully starts discussing sports and recent events and such. We all are a bit tense as you could imagine and he is about 4 beers in to an empty stomach, and he can tell we are all laughing dutifully at his quips and one liners. It is then that he imparted the single most important piece of officer wisdom I have ever heard.
He asked us all if we knew the REAL history behind the officer’s rank insignia of the US Military. We all responded with the little knowledge we had and he chuckled and said “No, gentlemen I mean the REAL history.” We all shook our heads getting ready for the wisdom from an O-9.
He began…
“Gentlemen, Second Lieutenants have bars of gold upon their collars because that signifies how much they are worth. All the training, education, and responsibility that we put upon your young shoulders makes you worth more than gold. The First Lieutenant’s bars are actually platinum and not silver. The platinum represents the increase in value from 2ndLt to 1stLt because of the experience they have gained. Captains get two platinum bars because they are now worth twice as much as a 1stLt. Colonels get Eagles upon their collars because they soar above the fields of battle like birds of prey, they are fierce leaders and elevated higher than the Marines on the field below them. Generals get stars because they are almost Gods amongst men. They operate in the heavens above, moving mountains and divisions, whole armies and corps.”
One 2ndLt respectfully asked the General “General what about Majors and LtCols?”
The General responded with a wink and said “Well son, the Majors’ and Lt Colonels’ insignia goes back to biblical times when we covered our pricks with leaves.”
We had an Officers All-Call at the O-club for some “Professional Military Education” where the CG basically got up and gave a 7 minute “Good Job, keep up the good work” kind of talk, and promptly dismissed us all to the bar. So we are all thinking that we have been spared a “Death by Power Point” situation and can get a couple of beers before knocking off for the day.
I am in one corner of the bar area with about 6 other 2ndLts and a couple of Ensigns with a 1stLt thrown in for good measure. We are safely ensconced away from the field grade and above, with a buffer of Salty Captains in between.
Out of nowhere the CG appears and inserts himself into our small enclave. We immediately come to attention and he puts us at ease, and he mirthfully starts discussing sports and recent events and such. We all are a bit tense as you could imagine and he is about 4 beers in to an empty stomach, and he can tell we are all laughing dutifully at his quips and one liners. It is then that he imparted the single most important piece of officer wisdom I have ever heard.
He asked us all if we knew the REAL history behind the officer’s rank insignia of the US Military. We all responded with the little knowledge we had and he chuckled and said “No, gentlemen I mean the REAL history.” We all shook our heads getting ready for the wisdom from an O-9.
He began…
“Gentlemen, Second Lieutenants have bars of gold upon their collars because that signifies how much they are worth. All the training, education, and responsibility that we put upon your young shoulders makes you worth more than gold. The First Lieutenant’s bars are actually platinum and not silver. The platinum represents the increase in value from 2ndLt to 1stLt because of the experience they have gained. Captains get two platinum bars because they are now worth twice as much as a 1stLt. Colonels get Eagles upon their collars because they soar above the fields of battle like birds of prey, they are fierce leaders and elevated higher than the Marines on the field below them. Generals get stars because they are almost Gods amongst men. They operate in the heavens above, moving mountains and divisions, whole armies and corps.”
One 2ndLt respectfully asked the General “General what about Majors and LtCols?”
The General responded with a wink and said “Well son, the Majors’ and Lt Colonels’ insignia goes back to biblical times when we covered our pricks with leaves.”
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