Posted on Nov 24, 2015
What is your opinion? Should new soldiers wear multicam issued on a deployment if they haven't deployed? or wait until late OCP is issued?
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As someone who was issued multicam when I deployed to Afghanistan, personally I don't care, but there are those who think since these soldiers did not deploy they shouldn't wear multicams, they should wait for the OCP issue in FY19
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Just so everyone knows I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE, this is a post of opinions I think soldiers should wear whatever the hell they want as long as it's authorized and in regulation
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Well, I believe the ones that think these soldiers should have been deployed before wearing multicams are clearly narrow minded individuals that are for one not NCOs and two not professional. If those guys that are wasting time nitpicking this they clearly have too much time on their hands and should be doing some area beautification... Just a thought
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As so many have already said... Butt Hurt and Status seem to be the driver of this issue. I'd rather wear the DCU myself... But I am old like that.
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This Uniform and patch situation has gotten beyond silly. Neither of these items stop bullets or certify you as a commando. I see an overwhelming need for some to find any way or clause to be different. Just go back to rank on the shoulder or collar with no patches. In my opinion, these Soldiers are just trying to comply with guidance already set.
The reason recruits are getting the new camo is bc it's an upgrade over the old UCP. The new pattern was not made to give bragging rights to those who have a deploymemt patch.
Just pointing out the obvious...
Just pointing out the obvious...
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ACU's but some soldiers who mobolized were issued multicams but eneded up getting cut from the deployment, Soldiers withave eXtra multicam uniforms are handing them out to other soldiers who don't have them/were not issued them. Just an opinion post personally idc what soldiers wear these days as long as it is authorized and within regulation..
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SGT David T.
SGT(P) (Join to see) - I was curious, I have been out a few years and see both uniforms in my office. I agree with you if it's authorized, who cares?
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I only think it matters if the IR tab shows, my ACUs from Afghanistan the IR tabs are visible at all times and we were NOT able to wear them on garrison. Plus the uniform has a slightly pink look due to being fire retardant and looks really strange next to the normal ACUs.
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I was wearing a multicam set I bought from the local Ranger Supply shop and I believe, still, that it just is a better camouflage. My personal opinion is just simply this, wear what you have and as long as it is authorized, what is the big deal?
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Honestly doesn't effect me in the least, however when I see them I ask myself "why drop X amount of money on a uniform that will be out of regs in a few years, when you can wait a little longer and put that money towards the new uniform? That's just me though.
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The uniform is not the "badge of honor" for deploying. Why would or should someone care is. for me, hard to understand
Recognition for requisite and qualifying overseas deployment is why the Combat Service Identification Badge (and corresponding right shoulder patch) [Shoulder Sleeve Insignia - Former Wartime Service], exist.
If the uniform is authorized for wear, and conforms to the appropriate Mil-Spec, it should not matter if the soldier deployed or not.
As I understand the current guidance from DA, the variety of currently authorized uniforms are just that authorized for wear until the wear out date, and recent DA guidance has reaffirmed this point.
Again, just my opinion.
Recognition for requisite and qualifying overseas deployment is why the Combat Service Identification Badge (and corresponding right shoulder patch) [Shoulder Sleeve Insignia - Former Wartime Service], exist.
If the uniform is authorized for wear, and conforms to the appropriate Mil-Spec, it should not matter if the soldier deployed or not.
As I understand the current guidance from DA, the variety of currently authorized uniforms are just that authorized for wear until the wear out date, and recent DA guidance has reaffirmed this point.
Again, just my opinion.
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Who cares?
Maybe the Soldiers like the new uniform better (who doesn't?) Maybe they don't want to waste money on old uniforms when they can have the new one now? Maybe they want to be more uniform? Maybe a million reasons. Maybe the people who are worried about new soldiers wearing OCP should focus on higher priorities. Like, you know, training.
This blows my mind.
Maybe the Soldiers like the new uniform better (who doesn't?) Maybe they don't want to waste money on old uniforms when they can have the new one now? Maybe they want to be more uniform? Maybe a million reasons. Maybe the people who are worried about new soldiers wearing OCP should focus on higher priorities. Like, you know, training.
This blows my mind.
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Personally I have no dog in the "multicam reserved for those who deployed" fight. What I'd like to see the newly adopted uniform stockpiles built up to such levels that the Army could THEN switch over in a short period of time (say 3-6 month window) to that new uniform instead of dragging out the "phase in" process where we're wearing 937 different uniforms (OK, 3) for the next few years.
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Well there is no point to buy the deployment uniforms because they have the same wear out date as ACU's. Now from a leadership perspective it does not matter the SMA has put out that all three are authorized so soldiers can chose which that they wear. The new OCP is out at many places and new soldiers coming in the army will soon start to be issued the new OCP. Now I know that some people don't like one or the other if a new soldier goes out and buys the OEF OCP then they can do that I think that is a wast of money on there part but that is on them. As leaders we need to enforce the slandered and not make up more.
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Its approved...let them wear it. But they need to understand that just like the ACU their will be MANY changes to it before mandatory wear date so i could get expensive. Also ask your CoC. If might not be "Approved" for duty wear my units that are in the public eye unless everyone switches at the same time. ie MP working Law Enforcement usually have to wear the same uniform.
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It's the uniform. I know people that have deployed that never end owned OCP, it is acceptable by regulations so I don't care. I have OCP from deployment I do not wear because they look like they've been to combat. I purchase the new Multi cam and still don't wear them. People felt the same about the black beret.
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I get the concept but I think whoever "those" are should look at the big picture and spend their efforts on something they may have control over.
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Those who are complaining better get their life together! Nothing worst then people who and charged to enforce the standard complaining about them. NCOs do not write policy comply or get out of the way!
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It's not a deployment consideration. The new duty uniform (as of July) is OCP. The SMA has stated clearly that the intent of the phased in issuance and and flexibility of mixed ACUs & OCPs in formation is to preclude the necessity of Soldiers HAVING to go out and buy new uniforms. That being said, if Soldiers HAVE an authorized OCP variant and the Commander has switched the UNIT duty uniform, there should be no issues...ONE TEAM, ONE FIGHT! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong...but when it interferes with the good order and morale of the unit, leaders should step in and make the appropriate attitude adjustment.
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