Posted on Nov 29, 2015
What is Your Position on Expanding Background Checks for Firearms?
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I myself am a strong supporter of gun rights. However I do not see anything wrong with expanding background checks because the way I see it, if you are a law abiding citizen it should give you a little peace of mind knowing that taking a couple extra minutes to get a background check done could prevent guns from falling into the hands of people that shouldn't have them such as mentally ill people, etc. What say you?
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 52
All the laws in the world will not keep the criminals and maniacs from aquiring guns. It's not the gun, it's the person in control of the trigger. Bad guys never worry about a background check because they don't want the weapons they use to make a paper trail. Some bad guys make enough money doing their bad guy stuff to pay way more to have a weapon they can afford to throw away after they use it (thank gosh they all don't throw them away cuz it helps to catch them). A lot of the weapons used for bad things are registured and stollen from other legal owners, some in their own household. By the time the authorities find out where the gun came from, it's too late. One guy used a knife to stab and cut a bunch of people, they sell kitchen knives in Wal-mart, no ID, no questions. It's not the weapons, it's the mentality of the person who has controll of them. The USA has allowed help for the mentally ill to slide because of the "cost." What better way to spend our tax dollars than to spend it on citizens who are in need of help mentally. The prisons are full of criminals who have mental attitudes geared for crime and mayhem to create their lifestyle, I don't know what the percentages are exactly but they will probably never be back in society without having those tendencies and acting on them. There are some of the others that may be able to live with us but will still need help. Bottom line is; it's not the guns, it's the help that the USA can give to the people who need it. Crazy people do crazy things and criminal people do criminal things.
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I say that as soon as we enforce the laws on the books to the fullest extent then we can talk about some new ones. Until that time, politicians can kick rocks because all they are really doing is playing you and me for votes.
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I do not support expanded checks. I think a quick check for felonies and diagnosed mental illness resulting in a person being a danger to themselves and others is plenty.
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Nothing will stop people from getting guns even when they aren't suppose to have them
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The problem isn't the people who are legally purchasing weapons. In the U.S. there are a lot of weapons sales that happen off the books, a lot of weapons change hands for many different reasons.
Personally filling out extra paperwork wouldn't bother me because I'm a legally abiding citizen...weapons sales don't just happen in a store so additional checks are unlikely to help curb someone who has other than honorable intentions.
The problem isn't the people who are legally purchasing weapons. In the U.S. there are a lot of weapons sales that happen off the books, a lot of weapons change hands for many different reasons.
Personally filling out extra paperwork wouldn't bother me because I'm a legally abiding citizen...weapons sales don't just happen in a store so additional checks are unlikely to help curb someone who has other than honorable intentions.
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If you are proponent of gun rights can you tell me where you are legally buying a weapon with no background check? Everyone I have ever bought I had to fill the form and have a check done. I also went under a much more rigorous process to get a conceal carry permit. One of the benefits of going through that level of scrutiny is I no longer have to go through it when I purchase a weapon. The check in FL can take up to three days. How much more time and scrutiny would be okay with you?
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SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson
On top of that in Florida to get a CCP you have to undergo an FBI background check that can take a month or longer.
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Cpl Jeff N.
LTC (Join to see) . I interpreted his remark to be from a dealer since he references expanding them or making them more in depth etc. I waited 3 days for a normal check and had to wait a month for me CCL to come back through who knows how many agencies. I don't know what else should be expected of a citizen exercising a Constitutional right.
At what point does a right become a "privilege" when I must prove I am worthy of it at every turn to the government?
At what point does a right become a "privilege" when I must prove I am worthy of it at every turn to the government?
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CDR Jon Corrigan
Cpl Jeff N. -
In my state one only has to wait until their 16th birthday and they're fine with carrying concealed. Under 16 and their 'permit' is issued by their parents, but it must be on their person.
In my state one only has to wait until their 16th birthday and they're fine with carrying concealed. Under 16 and their 'permit' is issued by their parents, but it must be on their person.
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I am ok with background checks what worry's me most is how to go about the check how do i check that you can get this weapon. Some states issue pistol permits for that purpose. But some have talk about a national registry to make sure that the background check was done. I really have not seen a lot of how to's. Also a background check is only as good as the data that we have which we all Know is far below standard and must be improved before anything else on background checks. I do wish more law abiding people had and carried guns.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
SSG (Join to see) I wish they all carried weapons as well. I do (hope) see the registration process getting better without it leading to "mass confiscation" as so many believe is required, since we've been registering weapons for years.
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First of, what qualifies as"mentally ill"? Simple depression affects millions of people, PTSD affects millions more; many of which wire the same uniform you do. Are you saying that these men and women were good enough to get fucked up but aren't good benign for a constitutionally guaranteed right? Serious mental illness like schizophrenia I could understand but being seasonally depressed or jumping at auto backfires does not a mental illness make. Secondly, what do you mean by"expand"? Expand to what; include your watch lists? That sounds good but who decides who gets on that list? The government? You really trust obama and God forbid Hilary to protect your rights? They could potentially list every veteran as a threat because of the training we've received. They've already got your address and DNA on file. Just let your mind wander around the playground of possibility that presents for some one bent on fucking over America. Expand background checks? Sounds good in theory but it's too vague a concept to be implemented in any way that works.... kind of like a"war on terror"
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What I'm saying is someone that has has been involuntary committed or with suicidal or homicidal thoughts shouldn't be allowed to get guns for a minimum 5 years
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SGT Scott Henderson
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Again, it sounds good but I think I'm reality it wouldn't do much in the way of stopping someone from getting a firearm. If the rules change to anyone involuntarily admitted either would see a rise in self referrals or people would learn to keep their mouths shut. What makes suicidal/ homicidal ideation worthy of being admitted? Getting drunk and yelling incoherently that you're going to kill someone? Being pissed and saying "I wish you were dead" to someone? I think as a nation we need to stop being such a soft target. No more gun free zones, no more 51% laws, and free basic training to gun owners.
Again, it sounds good but I think I'm reality it wouldn't do much in the way of stopping someone from getting a firearm. If the rules change to anyone involuntarily admitted either would see a rise in self referrals or people would learn to keep their mouths shut. What makes suicidal/ homicidal ideation worthy of being admitted? Getting drunk and yelling incoherently that you're going to kill someone? Being pissed and saying "I wish you were dead" to someone? I think as a nation we need to stop being such a soft target. No more gun free zones, no more 51% laws, and free basic training to gun owners.
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So we should ban alcohol to those with a DUI, food to the obese, ban swimming in the beach cause of sharks, etc..... Tightening laws will only affect those that follow them. In Chicago where I grew up, go see how many of the bad guys have a legally owned firearm. At least here in Florida where I'm at, I have a legal option to respond to those who would terrorize our way of life. " I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"
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