Posted on May 27, 2021
What kind of motivational methods and discipline techniques are Drill Sergeants using today, other than KP and recommending Article 15s?
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I was a drill sergeant during the heat of the Vietnam war. The draft was in effect and many of the draftees didn’t want to be in the military. In addition some of them with criminal activity were given a choice between going to jail or joining the military either by enlisting or requesting to be drafted. It was not fun maintaining discipline and motivating them to be the soldier they needed to be. Most of my time as drill sergeant there was only one DS per platoon and a field first. How many drill sergeants per company today on the average? I couldn’t find this info browsing the Internet.
My question is, what kind of motivational methods are being used today and what kinds of discipline techniques are used other than KP and recommending article 15?
My question is, what kind of motivational methods are being used today and what kinds of discipline techniques are used other than KP and recommending article 15?
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Responses: 6
SSG Frank Bova - now, NCO's and DS's use counseling statements to document behaviors and issues that could later lead to ART15's, but in the training environment the idea of a true ART15 is slim to none. They use extra PT, or extra duty such as CQ or extra fire guard shifts. They can use KP, but in most places that is all handled through contract workers now. With today's Army being all volunteer it shortens the list of shitbags that are only there because they have no other options. From what I have seen all Basic training platoons have one senior DS and two others, AIT Platoons will have one Senior DS and other NCO's to support as needed.
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2LT Brian L.
We don't hand out extra fire guard shifts but extra PT always motivates.. and strangely some respond to counseling's also. once they see that all we need is two and a recommendation they tend to realize that we got them... it all depends on the individual or the Platoon/Company culture because strangely each cycle does have its own slightly unique culture.. I've seen trainees devastated when we call them civilians and tell them to address us by our first names because they don't deserve to be called or act like Soldiers... generally your correct and you've seen different things then I currently see on Sand Hill at Benning...
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SSG (Join to see)
2LT Brian L. - This " trainees devastated when we call them civilians and tell them to address us by our first names because they don't deserve to be called or act like Soldiers" - I would have been one of those trainees! That is powerful. But it makes so much sense. I feel that a lot of the trainees think once they get past the "basic" part of OSUT that are ready to go to war and might have a slightly elevated ego, that will certainly bring some perspective. We had the entire platoon doing fireguard shifts every night for the entire cycle... that was the worst! I would love to pick up a DS slot, but my state does not support the program and going active is not an option. Thanks for the comment, DS!
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SSG Frank Bova
Thank you sergeant for the information. I’m amazed how times have changed and it’s nice to see such advancements in the training programs. Good luck to you.
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I had a speach I gave to my platoons on the first day. In that I told them I was not going to stand and yell all the time at them, instead I had (and I then reached for it) the power of the pen (holding my pen so they could see it). I told them with this pen I can affect the rest of your military career. I can write statements which will follow you everywhere you go. I then left a moment of silence to let the point set in. We all know lots of the paper work from basic gets thrown out, but the privates didn't know that. That was followed up with a counseling session with each one of them, and I calmly pointed out this was the paper work I talked about earlier. Yes there were those who needed a "little" more. PT was always good, but you had to find what "hurt" the private. Once I had a private with whom PT could not hurt him. Turns out he had been a life guard and was in super physical form. So you got to get to know them to find out what "hurts" them if you know what I mean.
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I most effective approach is extra duty after supper; BN and CO area cleanup.
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SSG Frank Bova
I recall one trainee that loved policing the area. He would do it whether or not he had to.
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Here at Fort Benning we strive for 4 Drill per Platoon and often with a PL.. it may be almost too many at times as it tends to diffuse responsibility if they don't take ownership but at least we aren't spread as thin as Drill used to be. Those days had to be terrible. We don't do KP but we do article 15 and chapter when needed. I mean its vastly different dealing with volunteers than some of the trash you had to deal with. An informed motivated Platoon is easy to deal with, of course you come in hard for the first few weeks until they fall in line. Also Infantry OSUT is now 22 weeks! So theoretically after some time you can transition to more of a mentor teacher type of role ... of course they dictate how they get treated. If they act like adults I treat them that way. I want them smart and lethal by time they hit the force and do my best to separate the ones that cant/wont make it.
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SSG Frank Bova
Thank you for your in-depth comments. Seems like two different worlds from then to now.
4 DSs per platoon. Amazing. The best I had in one cycle was an 11B corporal returning from country helping out for a few weeks until his ETS. Good luck to you sergeant and thanks again for your informative comments.
4 DSs per platoon. Amazing. The best I had in one cycle was an 11B corporal returning from country helping out for a few weeks until his ETS. Good luck to you sergeant and thanks again for your informative comments.
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SFC Domingo M.
Coming in to work at 04:30 and not going home until 22:00 five days a week didn't leave much time for to much of anything else plus there were no late days, both Drills had to be in at the same time. Over the week ends one of us still had to make the rounds to make sure all was well and for remedial training. My tour was at Ft Jackson '77 thru '79 in D-6-2. We had the first Co-Ed company with two Platoons females and two platoons males.
The best way to motivate them was to treat them as human beings first and set the example always. Be knowledgeable in all areas and able to pass that knowledge along to each and every member in your platoon.
The best way to motivate them was to treat them as human beings first and set the example always. Be knowledgeable in all areas and able to pass that knowledge along to each and every member in your platoon.
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SSG Frank Bova
Oh yes, setting the example was the key to motivating them. Some of them didn’t act like human beings and those were the hard core cases. In the end things always worked out one way or another.
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SFC Domingo M.
SSG Frank Bova - You are correct, the only ones I ever had to send home were from Puerto Rico. The Recruiters signed them on knowing they did not have the language skills to understand the English Language well enough to train. Even after BSEP they could not meet the basic requirements. They were sent home under 635-200. Even though I could help being bi-lingual there was no guarantee that they would have someone who spoke their language to help them complete their training in AIT and beyond. There was never a hard case for me, only bigger challenges and you are right the reward was in the end result.
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When I went through we had two drill sergeants and one senior drill sergeant per platoon in addition to a company 1SG, XO, and commander. Near the end of our cycle we got a fourth drill sergeant who was an observer as he was just about to start his first cycle as a drill sergeant.
I'm not sure what's being used right now, but it was a lot of PT when I went through as punishment. Hell our Senior even figured out how to use cool down exercises to smoke us.
Not at the range though. The range for people who were having trouble with their rifle, usually the guys who never had any experience or a negative experience with fire arms received extra attention. Not in a negative fashion either, they were very calm and instructive with them. I think they knew on some level the trainee was afraid of the weapon and needed to learn to not be, and that screaming at them wasn't going to fix it.
Everything else though, PT was the answer. I think some may have gotten extra CQ or fire guard shifts, not sure though. I never did, so lucky me. I vaguely remember a threat of article 15, but those are all BS as we found out near the end.
I'm not sure what's being used right now, but it was a lot of PT when I went through as punishment. Hell our Senior even figured out how to use cool down exercises to smoke us.
Not at the range though. The range for people who were having trouble with their rifle, usually the guys who never had any experience or a negative experience with fire arms received extra attention. Not in a negative fashion either, they were very calm and instructive with them. I think they knew on some level the trainee was afraid of the weapon and needed to learn to not be, and that screaming at them wasn't going to fix it.
Everything else though, PT was the answer. I think some may have gotten extra CQ or fire guard shifts, not sure though. I never did, so lucky me. I vaguely remember a threat of article 15, but those are all BS as we found out near the end.
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Some of them responded well to a more structured environment providing that environment was my job
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