Posted on Jun 29, 2014
MAJ FAO - Europe
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I'm a P90X junkie.

Lots of military folks prefer CrossFit, as suggested by the vast number of CrossFit military affiliates (http://www.crossfit.com/).

It appears that the P90 series of programs (Power 90, P90X, P90X2, P90X3, along with other programs from BeachBody) mirror the comprehensive approach to fitness, nutrition, and health described in FM 7-22 and the Army Performance Triad (http://hprc-online.org/total-force-fitness/performance-triad).

While I would not go as far as the satirists at The Duffel Blog who have jokingly suggested the Pentagon is looking to ban CrossFit (http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/04/crossfit-ban-dod/#!5RDEq), more serious journalism (http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/strength-and-power-training/Growing-Pains-CrossFit-Injuries-On-the-Rise.html; http://www.armytimes.com/article/20100930/OFFDUTY03/9300301/The-hidden-danger-extreme-workouts) suggests that CrossFit may create more health problems than it solves. (Other studies suggest CrossFit may be good, afterall: http://www.25idl.army.mil/PT/U.S.%20Army%20CrossFit%20Study.pdf)

This is an old conversation, with plenty of Army guidance (http://phc.amedd.army.mil/PHC%20Resource%20Library/PHN_No_0312-01_Extreme_Conditioning_Programs_and_the_Army_2012.pdf) based on government-funded research (http://www.researchgate.net/publication/51788315_Consortium_for_Health_and_Military_Performance_and_American_College_of_Sports_Medicine_consensus_paper_on_extreme_conditioning_programs_in_military_personnel)

Which do you prefer? Or are there better programs out there?
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LTC Operations Officer (Opso)
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Why not Hip Hop Abs?

In all seriousness we need something that gets the base level up first! We need to enforce the standards starting at basic where they should only graduate if they ACTUALLY pass with at least 60 in each event and do the same in AIT. Do not give us a dud. Then we can go into crossfit then crazier workouts.
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1SG Michael Blount
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LTC (Join to see) - I agree we need to increase the base level. I believe the Army's in that in-between position of having a bunch of slack, marginally pass the APFT on the one hand and P90X/CrossFit/T-25 maniacs on the other. My experience has been - rather than bring the top performers down, bring the bottom feeders up
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1SG Michael Blount
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Speaking of physicall un-fitness. Try 10 pushups with your hands point out, then straight ahead, then inward. Wanna talk about screaming pain!
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CPT Dave Shephard
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As a physical fitness enthusiast, I think CrossFit performed correctly with properly trained coaches is the best organized methodology for military fitness.

I agree that CrossFit is intense (and thus can be dangerous). But intensity is the single most important factor in promoting fitness. As humans we are designed to adapt to a stimulus. If our physical training isn't stressful enough to prompt the body to adapt (i.e. get fitter, faster, stronger) then it won't be effective. Be smart, listen to your body, and seek out coaching for movements that you are unfamiliar with (just like with any other workout regimen).

One thing however that CrossFit does well that other regimens don't replicate is Community. CrossFit training is typically done in group settings or within a larger community of members. We are generally more likely to adhere to a physical training regimen (especially an intense regimen) if we have a community of supporters holding us accountable.

And finally, CrossFit incorporates ideals of holistic training. It has done a lot to educate our community on nutrition, mobility, and many other factors that effect human performance. Training in my opinion is only 15%-25% of the challenge. Sleep, diet, and hydration are collectively far more important to performance.
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1SG Company First Sergeant
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How about FM 7-22? Once the Army as a whole (no APFT failures) can adhere to that then we could venture into more rigorous workout routines.
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SFC Gilley, are you saying that those who are already past the basic standards of FM 7-22 should have to wait for many who will never get there? It seems that you think we should all be at one level before moving on, why is that?
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What program is more appropriate for Army Physical Readiness Training, Cross Fit or P90X?
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I prefer P90x3....IMHO, the right program is the one that the individual will follow and that gets them to their goals and provides life-long maintenance....The right program may be several programs or individual activities. If we make a one-size-fits-all regulation for something that is highly individualized I believe it will fail.
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MAJ FAO - Europe
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Just finished a round of P90X3. Great results, especially considering the 30-minutes-a-day time commitment.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Running is always a popular choice in the Army. Soldiers swear by it however I have found running to be detrimental to my physical fitness (I have dainty ankles!)

I started CrossFit and I love the variations in exercises. For me personally, I've cut down on running and started focusing more on strength training and building muscle by doing CrossFit exercises, which is actually great for my cardio as well.

Everyone is different and it's all about finding what works for you and not listening to the indoctrinated sheep in the military tell you what is best for your body if you know otherwise.
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1SG Michael Blount
1SG Michael Blount
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Yah, I got those thoroughbred ankles as well.
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1SG Michael Blount
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My preference is P90X, mostly because it uses body weight for resistance and is a whole body workout, vs T25 (mostly cardio) and CrossFit (which relies almost entirely on equipment). Using body weight for resistance means the program is transportable, and CHEAP. Having used P90X, I confess to liking the results and in a world where results count, that's all that need to be said. Oh, and I've used P90X for corrective training on some BCT privates. Those prison cell pushups forever and unalterably changed more than a few attitudes.
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MAJ Haris Balcinovic
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I would argue that perhaps neither is the a great fit - I hate to be a downer on P90 and Cross Fit, as they are phenomenal workout routines, but you are always going to alienate certain groups. The truth of the matter most everybody is different and prefers different workouts, I have plenty of battle buddies who despise even a mention of Cross Fit or P90. I myself prefer good run / hike / jog / ruck. I think what's appropriate is to incorporate a workout that works for the small team or squad, at most a platoon size element. Let the NCOs and Soldiers own it and do what they like. Just make sure the leadership knows what's going on - let the PLs and PSGs do what they're supposed to. As a CO I always encouraged platoons to do their own thing. I had my company runs just to piss everybody off, but other than that it was theirs. And as long as everybody was producing (meet or exceed the standard) I was happy.
Pushing fad/niche workouts such as P90 or Cross Fit as a standardized workout will most certainly alienate Soldiers who want to workout but prefer something else. Again, let the young/junior NCOs do their thing.
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MAJ FAO - Europe
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Great comment. Especially the company run to piss everyone off!
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MAJ Team Leader
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I have to comment on one of your lines MAJ Haris Balcinovic . You mention pushing fad/niche workouts, but who is to say any of these styles are a fad? I prefer some, dislike others, but they are all still here.
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MAJ Haris Balcinovic
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CPT Patrick Brundage - I guess by definition fad is something (such as an interest or fashion) that is very popular for a short time. Granted P90 has been around for over a decade now, and so has CrossFit - so I should have just said niche. Perhaps I should work more on my descriptive words :).
I guess the point that I was trying to make is that, it's not a "one size fits all" kind of a workout and it does cater to a specific group.
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SFC A.M. Drake
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Sir,

T-25 works for me with elements of Crossfit on the weekends and spin class, it's all good for me.
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I don't think that anything really needs to change... I think we need to enforce... I was asked what I thought was the biggest difference between the Army and the Marines and though there are a few the biggest one would be enforcement.. When Soldiers are allowed in basic training to pass their APFT with scores of 50 per event when the standard is 60 we have a problem... And yes this was happening since we were dealing with the aftermath at the unit... We can't fix what isn't broken if we don't use it properly to begin with... We set a standard but then lax up the rules to maintain numbers... Because being green in some pie chart is more important... I have had a majority of my Soldiers come out of Basic unable to pass a PT test to standard and we are stuck trying to get them to the standard.. Why don't we actually use what we have and use it properly instead of wasting more money to do research or change an existing program that probably does work... And as for crossfit from a medical perspective.. Regardless of the proper training doing that many repetitions on any joint causes undo wear and tear and causes medical complications down the road... Physical Tharapists hate crossfit and want it banned as a whole because they are seeing much younger crowds with wear and tear on their joints that you would see in someone double their age... I do like P90X but as a personal workout... But I really think we need to use what we have...
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COL Charles Williams
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Push - Ups, Sit - Ups, Rope Climbing, Stairs, Pull-ups, Running, and Road Marching.
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