Posted on Mar 25, 2021
What punishment should I recommend for Soldier who showed up for an ASU inspection with it on a hanger?
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Backstory. This Soldier has know about the ASU inspection for well over a mont and had gained a substantial amount of weight this past year. She knew a month ago that she didn’t fit in her uniform. But instead of coming forward and saying anything she decided to show up the day of the inspection with it on a hanger saying she has it but it doesn’t fit. Is a punishment warranted for this action? If not what steps or counseling should I give her forcing her to buy a new uniform. Looking for guidance?
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Counsel her. during the counseling sit down with her and figure out if she either needs to alter her current uniform, or purchase a new one. Once you have both determined a doable plan of action give her a timeline to have it complete. If she fails to complete the plan of action close out the counseling and recommend her for UCMJ.
When was she last screened in accordance with AR 600-9?
How involved are you in your Soldier's physical fitness?
Her wait gain is a direct reflection on your leadership and before you judge her for gaining wait you need to take a step back and ask yourself what can you do to improve her fitness, It sounds like you have gradually noticed her wait gain over the last year. You are partly to blame for not doing anything about it until after the ACU inspection.
When was she last screened in accordance with AR 600-9?
How involved are you in your Soldier's physical fitness?
Her wait gain is a direct reflection on your leadership and before you judge her for gaining wait you need to take a step back and ask yourself what can you do to improve her fitness, It sounds like you have gradually noticed her wait gain over the last year. You are partly to blame for not doing anything about it until after the ACU inspection.
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Her weight gain is on her. She has had a profile preventing her from participating in any serious PT. She gets a new profile almost every month. Due to COVID we can’t get her on H/W but we did a diag to see where the PLT was and she was 37% body fat and way over the limit.
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SPC Paul LaBelle
SFC (Join to see) if she’s getting a new profile every month it sounds like it’s time to have a conversation with your chain of command to see what tools are in your bag. Might the soldier need a complete physical? I had a friend that was in the navy. She came down with thyroid problems. Instead of doing a simple blood test that would have told her chain of command that she needed to go on thyroid replacement medication, it was allowed to get worse and worse to the point where she gained weight, she got depression, she tried hiding her depression because she knew what the consequences would be. Her depression got so bad that she couldn’t hide it any more, she lost her prp and was kicked out of the nuke program, she was discharged. This cost the navy two years of good service, a sailor with 10 years service and experience and thousands of dollars in training. All because someone didn’t do a thyroid check.
Funny thing is she’s out, on thyroid meds, works at Hannover making twice as much and is currently suing the navy because there’s a group of sailors that believe exposure to Fukushima caused their thyroid problems and the navy should have realized this and they’re suing for medical retirement and various other things.
Funny thing is she’s out, on thyroid meds, works at Hannover making twice as much and is currently suing the navy because there’s a group of sailors that believe exposure to Fukushima caused their thyroid problems and the navy should have realized this and they’re suing for medical retirement and various other things.
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SFC Terry Stinnett
SFC (Join to see) I'm long retired (1995) but a "new" profile, for new condition/injury every month, or the same diagnosis, not making progress in addressing the underlying health issue? As a WAC, running in poorly designed boots for basic and beyond, I've had multiple issues of tendonitis, damaged ligaments, etc from virtually day 1 through retirement; and back damage that required a surgery. Orthopedic issues need appropriate care, physical therapy and sometimes surgery. If it's a "new" problem monthly, then there's a need to get a thorough heath assessment (e.g. thyroid, PCOS, diabetes, and other rule out issues) which I presume you should discuss w your 1SG on getting the current correct diagnosis and move on from there. It could be she's just not cut out for the Army, but don't jump to that conclusion. You've gotten great advice on how to approach the issue--for any soldier, make or female.
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SPC Paul LaBelle
SFC (Join to see) I saw you type that it’s her fault on another post, so I take it you’re simply looking for punishment not information. That’s sad that you took the time to cut and paste your justification for punishing her but didn’t say that’s something we haven’t considered or we have had the conversations at a higher level and that’s not the case.
So you’re discounting the possibility of depression and simply looking to punish. Well at this point it might be a case of her being fed up with you and just not giving a fuck anymore. You don’t give any information about how she was before Covid just thst since Covid she’s become a shit bird and you want to punish her.
Once I shattered my ankle and my medical discharge was started my platoon sergeant turned on me. I was the worst and I was making him look bad. So as my revenge I undercut him in every way I could. I contacted every person in the MP crops I had built a relationship with and by the time I got out he had two letters from CSMs, that i had worked with prior to him, in his personnel jacket. I heard he was passed over for Drill sergeant school and failed to meet mission as a recruiter. Was offered retirement at 15...
So you’re discounting the possibility of depression and simply looking to punish. Well at this point it might be a case of her being fed up with you and just not giving a fuck anymore. You don’t give any information about how she was before Covid just thst since Covid she’s become a shit bird and you want to punish her.
Once I shattered my ankle and my medical discharge was started my platoon sergeant turned on me. I was the worst and I was making him look bad. So as my revenge I undercut him in every way I could. I contacted every person in the MP crops I had built a relationship with and by the time I got out he had two letters from CSMs, that i had worked with prior to him, in his personnel jacket. I heard he was passed over for Drill sergeant school and failed to meet mission as a recruiter. Was offered retirement at 15...
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Remedial training.... Create a counseling statement. In the plan of action have a date and time for her to actually wear the uniform. Also refer to the appropriate reference and doctrine of the purpose of an inspection.
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Regarding corrective training, she knew there was a uniform inspection on a time, place and location. Was she informed that she was to wear the uniform or was it left to interpretation?
Punishment is reserved for the commander, but corrective training is in your court. Were I in your position I would counsel her on the proper wear and appearance of the ASU.
In the plan of action I would have a height and weight conducted, have her research AR 670-1, and go over a cost effective plan to alter her uniform if possible. I say cost effective because uniform allowances aside, ASU's are not cheap. If she can't afford it without straining herself this may require you to address a finance issue going forward.
Based on her responses to the counseling and the status of the height and weight would play into your next counseling. If she's failing height and weight you should look into why and how best to bring her back to the standard. If the weight gain occurred quickly there could be an issue whether mental or physical that may need to be addressed, if it occurred overtime then a diet and PT plan needs to be established.
If diet is part of the path forward you may need to spend some time eating with her and going over the importance of nutrition as you eat together. This allows you to actually see what she selects for food and gives you the opportunity to verbally coach as its happening. You can PT her into the ground but a poor diet will halt all progress.
All sorts of factors to consider, good luck going forward with your troop SSG.
Punishment is reserved for the commander, but corrective training is in your court. Were I in your position I would counsel her on the proper wear and appearance of the ASU.
In the plan of action I would have a height and weight conducted, have her research AR 670-1, and go over a cost effective plan to alter her uniform if possible. I say cost effective because uniform allowances aside, ASU's are not cheap. If she can't afford it without straining herself this may require you to address a finance issue going forward.
Based on her responses to the counseling and the status of the height and weight would play into your next counseling. If she's failing height and weight you should look into why and how best to bring her back to the standard. If the weight gain occurred quickly there could be an issue whether mental or physical that may need to be addressed, if it occurred overtime then a diet and PT plan needs to be established.
If diet is part of the path forward you may need to spend some time eating with her and going over the importance of nutrition as you eat together. This allows you to actually see what she selects for food and gives you the opportunity to verbally coach as its happening. You can PT her into the ground but a poor diet will halt all progress.
All sorts of factors to consider, good luck going forward with your troop SSG.
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