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My brother in law is interested in the MOS 17C, but the local recruiter tells him that it's not open for entry level. They offered him 35Q as a gateway to 17C, but as a 13B I can't say if that will help as a feeder MOS for his end state goal. Does anyone out there have any information about these MOS's?
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Interesting -- as a career recruiter, former recruiter, now staff NCO, I will state the following -- it seems the local recruiter may not be aware of current USAREC messages or MILPER messages which state "specific" instructions for MOS applications --- I have done this before in the past with certain recruits who were interested in CID, or Linguist in which the Army was looking for. It seems the Army is currently looking for MOS 17C candidates but I believe you have to be a PVT to SGT currently on active duty. Of course the appropriate messages will specify a check list to follow -- Good luck!
ATTENTION:
MILPER MESSAGE 15-384 *EFFECTIVE 02 DEC 15*
-THERE ARE NO WAIVERS FOR THE RANK REQUIREMENT. ONLY SGTs AND SPCs CAN APPLY FOR MOS 17C.
-THE 17C POSTURE SHEET WILL BE POSTED MONTHLY. THE CURRENT POSTURE SHEET IS VALID AS OF 01 DEC 15.
-WHEN APPLYING, USE THE UPDATED 17C PACKET. WE WILL NOT ACCEPT THE OLD PACKET DOCUMENTS.
ATTENTION:
MILPER MESSAGE 15-384 *EFFECTIVE 02 DEC 15*
-THERE ARE NO WAIVERS FOR THE RANK REQUIREMENT. ONLY SGTs AND SPCs CAN APPLY FOR MOS 17C.
-THE 17C POSTURE SHEET WILL BE POSTED MONTHLY. THE CURRENT POSTURE SHEET IS VALID AS OF 01 DEC 15.
-WHEN APPLYING, USE THE UPDATED 17C PACKET. WE WILL NOT ACCEPT THE OLD PACKET DOCUMENTS.
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Up until recently the Army was transitioning Soldiers from 35Q to 17C. It was mostly random with little rhyme or reason. Since then you have to put in a 4187 with additional documents to request transitioning to 17C. If your brother-in-law is still considering it, he will be best to go 35Q and put in a 4187 after a year in Fort Meade/Gordon (likely initial assignments). He MAY possibly get either Schofield Barracks or Joint Base San Antonio, but those are smaller detachments and not as likely for him to go there.
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Here's the issue that I think will arise, being someone who just transitioned into MOS 17C from 35Q. If he joins as a 35Q, by the time he's completed required training and made it to a permanent duty station they may no longer be accepting transitions to 17C. They have started 17C ALC, and the Cyber Center of Excellence is running, so there's no telling really how much longer the transitions will be possible. He may be better off either waiting for initial entry acceptance, or choosing to be a 35Q.
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The 35Qs coming out of the school house are being assigned at the Cyber Protection Brigade in 17C slots .. if that helps. I got one last month, and he is a PFC; brand new to the Army.
He could start by reading the cyber training advice from "CYBER Trail Blazer" (4 pages of it)
http://community.armystudyguide.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/ [login to see] /m/ [login to see] /p/1
He could start by reading the cyber training advice from "CYBER Trail Blazer" (4 pages of it)
http://community.armystudyguide.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/ [login to see] /m/ [login to see] /p/1
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Being out for a long time and not in the know, unless you're some kind of super hacker/programmer already the recruiter is right. And even then, I'm guessing the Army wants some stick time before getting them into the MOS. Because of the downsizing the Army can pretty much do what it want's to do now.
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Unfortunately I think you're right SGM. It's just hard finding out if the qualifications for 35Q would give him the certifications he needs to qualify for 17C in the long run. Thank you SGM.
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There were two MOSs used to fill 17C positions initially. 25D and 35Q were those to MOSs. 25D is not open for entry level and 35Q is. I would have him take the 35Q career path. They have a lot go good assignments with special agencies and they can get additional follow on training.
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That sounds right according to this article.
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/08/26/applications-17c-cyber-transfers-due-aug-31/32397689/
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/08/26/applications-17c-cyber-transfers-due-aug-31/32397689/

Applications for 17C cyber transfers due by Aug. 31
The Army is about to close the fiscal 2015 application window for enlisted soldiers who want to reclassify into 17C, the new military occupational specialty for cyber operations specialists.
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Yes Sergeant I read that, but it's not clear what MOS's will provide the certifications necessary for 17C. Thank you.
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THE FACTS: CYBER ENLISTED SOLDIER CAREERS
The Cyber career path offers Army enlisted Soldiers and warrant and commissioned officers with the right stuff the opportunity to join the Army's newest branch and help to defend America as frontline warriors in cyberspace.
What are Cyber Soldiers?
Cyber Soldiers are highly skilled technical experts who provide crucial intelligence and network support that safeguards the cyber domain and ensures commanders can maneuver and win. Two enlisted Military Occupational Specialties -- Cryptologic Network Warfare Specialist (MOS 35Q) and Cyber Network Defender (MOS 25D) -- will feed into the new Cyber Operations Specialist field (MOS 17C).
What do Cyber Soldiers do?
As defenders of America’s presence in cyberspace, Cyber Soldiers collect, analyze and report digital data, deploy and maintain network defense tools such as routers and firewalls, evaluate network defense operations and respond to incidents in cyberspace.
How do you become a Cyber Soldier?
There are two paths to becoming a Cyber Soldier: one for current enlisted Soldiers and one for those who wish to join the Army and be part of the Cyber team. For enlisted Soldiers typical prerequisites to reclassify into a Cyber MOS include a Top Secret - Sensitive Compartmented Information security clearance; Advanced Leadership Course, Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery and screening test requirements; experience and certification requirements; and time in service and service remaining requirements. For those who would like to enlist, typical
ABOUT US: Army Cyber Command and Second Army directs and conducts cyberspace and information operations as authorized or directed, to ensure freedom of action in and through cyberspace, and to deny the same to our adversaries
As of 7 August 2015
requirements include minimum ASVAB scores, an Information Communication Technology Literacy test, basic combat training and Advanced Individual Training consisting of classroom and on-the-job training in automated data processing, data analysis and development of analytical tools. During their careers Cyber Soldiers serve in challenging positions as digital analysts, network operators, cyber planners, security analysts, intelligence planners and operations planners, as well as in progressive leadership and career developmental positions. Potential incentives for career Cyber Soldiers include benefits such as Training With Industry programs, the opportunity to become a Cyber warrant officer, targeted compensation, Special Duty Assignment Pay, Assignment Incentive Pay, skill certifications and reenlistment bonuses.
How do you get more information on becoming a Cyber Soldier?
For more detailed information on becoming a Cyber Soldier, Army members with DoD Common Access Card or Army Knowledge Online credentials can go to the Chief of Signal enlisted division website at https://www.us.army.mil/suite/page/838 or check out the Cyber Branch Assignment Management page at the Army Human Resources Command website at https://www.hrc.army.mil/. All users can view an online Cyber Network Defender info pamphlet at http://www.signal-chief.com/wp- content/uploads/2014/10/25D-Cyber-Network-Defender-Trifold.pptx
For more information about enlisting in the Army to join the Cyber team, visit the computer and technology page at goarmy.com.

The Cyber career path offers Army enlisted Soldiers and warrant and commissioned officers with the right stuff the opportunity to join the Army's newest branch and help to defend America as frontline warriors in cyberspace.
What are Cyber Soldiers?
Cyber Soldiers are highly skilled technical experts who provide crucial intelligence and network support that safeguards the cyber domain and ensures commanders can maneuver and win. Two enlisted Military Occupational Specialties -- Cryptologic Network Warfare Specialist (MOS 35Q) and Cyber Network Defender (MOS 25D) -- will feed into the new Cyber Operations Specialist field (MOS 17C).
What do Cyber Soldiers do?
As defenders of America’s presence in cyberspace, Cyber Soldiers collect, analyze and report digital data, deploy and maintain network defense tools such as routers and firewalls, evaluate network defense operations and respond to incidents in cyberspace.
How do you become a Cyber Soldier?
There are two paths to becoming a Cyber Soldier: one for current enlisted Soldiers and one for those who wish to join the Army and be part of the Cyber team. For enlisted Soldiers typical prerequisites to reclassify into a Cyber MOS include a Top Secret - Sensitive Compartmented Information security clearance; Advanced Leadership Course, Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery and screening test requirements; experience and certification requirements; and time in service and service remaining requirements. For those who would like to enlist, typical
ABOUT US: Army Cyber Command and Second Army directs and conducts cyberspace and information operations as authorized or directed, to ensure freedom of action in and through cyberspace, and to deny the same to our adversaries
As of 7 August 2015
requirements include minimum ASVAB scores, an Information Communication Technology Literacy test, basic combat training and Advanced Individual Training consisting of classroom and on-the-job training in automated data processing, data analysis and development of analytical tools. During their careers Cyber Soldiers serve in challenging positions as digital analysts, network operators, cyber planners, security analysts, intelligence planners and operations planners, as well as in progressive leadership and career developmental positions. Potential incentives for career Cyber Soldiers include benefits such as Training With Industry programs, the opportunity to become a Cyber warrant officer, targeted compensation, Special Duty Assignment Pay, Assignment Incentive Pay, skill certifications and reenlistment bonuses.
How do you get more information on becoming a Cyber Soldier?
For more detailed information on becoming a Cyber Soldier, Army members with DoD Common Access Card or Army Knowledge Online credentials can go to the Chief of Signal enlisted division website at https://www.us.army.mil/suite/page/838 or check out the Cyber Branch Assignment Management page at the Army Human Resources Command website at https://www.hrc.army.mil/. All users can view an online Cyber Network Defender info pamphlet at http://www.signal-chief.com/wp- content/uploads/2014/10/25D-Cyber-Network-Defender-Trifold.pptx
For more information about enlisting in the Army to join the Cyber team, visit the computer and technology page at goarmy.com.

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