Posted on Dec 14, 2018
What’s the proper way to correct someone when not saluting an officer?
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I was walking with a Navy LT and an Army Maj. (My hospital has both services) from the USO across the street to the hospital and a PFC passed and didn’t salute. I stopped and asked her, “Do enlisted soldiers not salute officers anymore?” The Maj. with me said I didn’t have to be so aggressive about it. What’s a better way of addressing it without coming off as aggressive?
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Let me guess, the officers were medical types. While I respect their skill and their dedication to their job of taking care of all service personnel they have to learn to respect the customs and traditions of the military.
If you were senior to the private who forgot their responsibility to salute you were right on and the officers should not have been critical. As long as you didn't try to play drill instructor and humiliate the soldier. It may have been that they were day dreaming and never noticed the officers. They just needed to be reminded. They should apologies, salute and go about their business.
If you were senior to the private who forgot their responsibility to salute you were right on and the officers should not have been critical. As long as you didn't try to play drill instructor and humiliate the soldier. It may have been that they were day dreaming and never noticed the officers. They just needed to be reminded. They should apologies, salute and go about their business.
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You could have said excuse me I noticed you didn’t salute the officer did you not see him
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AR600-25 1-5. Says all Army personnel are REQUIRED to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Further on it states the junior person shall salute first. In my opinion the Major should have kept quiet and appreciated the Specialist's respect and knowledge of military regulations, customs, and courtesy. As. Leader he should abide by and encourage the same.
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You did just fine. My preferred method was to yank a knot in their ass. In your scenario to not render a hand salute looks to be intentionally disrespectful. Being so, that PFC is hollering to the two officers F**K YOU for all to hear and you know any other enlisted person that saw the PFC were waiting to see what you will do about it. As for the Majors comments. You just respectfully tell him "ok sir you are telling me that you don't deserve a hand salute, you don't want to be respected. But I will ensure that any other officers that may happen to be in out group WILL receive a proper and respectful hand salute and the greeting of the day."
The same applies the other way. You render a hand salute to an officer and give the proper greeting of the day and the officer does not return your salute. You do an about-face and catch up to the officer, stop him or her, Explain they did not return your salute as required and give another salute. I bet it's returned now.
The same applies the other way. You render a hand salute to an officer and give the proper greeting of the day and the officer does not return your salute. You do an about-face and catch up to the officer, stop him or her, Explain they did not return your salute as required and give another salute. I bet it's returned now.
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Plenty have answered the question. I have hit the age where I like to go down memory lane. I have learned there is a big difference between Combat Arms Officers and Non Combat Arms Officers. An Infantry Officer and I (Armor) was tasked to assist a Doctor who was to be commissioned as a Captain. I am not sure how or why it worked out the Doc was there and how Docs get commissioned but we were taking him to clothing sales to get him set up for uniforms and the what nots, before heading to FT Sam Houston. While at the Clothing Sales the other Captain and I noticed a Infantry LTC with pin rank instead of sew on. We convinced the soon to be Captain the LTC had is insignia reversed and it was his duty to correct the LTC. The LTC's uniform was perfect but the Doc did not know that. He was very hesitant however we impressed upon him it would be better he do it than letting him go out of the building and someone else seeing the LTC out of uniform. We stressed, "make sure you tell him you are a Captain and tell him to pay attention to details." Let the LTC know you are a Medical Doctor and he is only Infantry."
It was fun to watch from a distance. The LTC was fairly shocked at first but soon realized the Doc was being played and he handled it like a pro. He realized what was going on and played it perfect. We actually talked to him later and he really had a good laugh. The soon to be Captain didn't talk to us anymore.
It was fun to watch from a distance. The LTC was fairly shocked at first but soon realized the Doc was being played and he handled it like a pro. He realized what was going on and played it perfect. We actually talked to him later and he really had a good laugh. The soon to be Captain didn't talk to us anymore.
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So true, any active duty member in uniform should show respect to the rank of others. The only exception I ever saw was when an Admiral started to dress down an E3 in dress uniform for not showing respect. The Admiral had to shut up, pop tall and salute the Seaman when he noticed the MOH on his chest. Never a right or wrong way, it's discipline at stake.
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Sgt Michael Clifford
There is no regulation that requires a senior rank to salute a CMOH recipient first. It is a tradition to honor the medal.
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I’ve commented before on this. A salute is a sign of respect shared between warriors. While the tradition is for the junior to initiate there is NO Rule that says the senior cannot initiate it. So start the salute - 99.9% of the time the junior realizes it and snaps back a top notch salute. Include a greeting as well like “Good morning soldier” or “All the Way”. And go on about your business. There wasn’t really a problem ... you showed respect to a fellow warrior...and you are both serving this great country. Nuff said.
Just do not do what my driver (a very squared away corporal) did one afternoon while he was driving me trough a training area in an open 1/4 ton (for you young guys, that is what we had before the Humvee and after the M-37 Jeep. Knock it off. I know how old I am. I took basic with the M-1 and was issued brown boots with a bottle of black dye.) when we drove by a group of trainees standing outside of a classroom on a smoke break. I was occupied reading some paperwork when suddenly he slammed on the brakes causing me to nearly eat the windscreen. When I looked up he was already dismounted and halfway to the group of trainees standing about 60 feet away. He bellowed at the top of his lungs attention and got right up in the face of one of the trainees. After about a minute of what appeared to be a by the numbers tail chewing he told the whole group to render a hand salute. After I returned the salute and the corporal had returned to the vehicle. I said, "I must remember to never fail to salute a superior officer when you are around." The corporal in a very excited voice said, "Sir, you did not see what that punk did, he not only did not render you a proper salute, he shot you a peace sign!" I said; "Well, I bet he will never do that again and I bet he is thanking the Lord right now that you were not armed."
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One of the old Mustangs on my floor was in Germany at Graf. They we’re doing a exercise as if another 9/11 happened so people were patrolling the perimeter of the base the whole nine. Well the CG wanted to see how the OP was going. He drove passed the then SGT and his team. They recognized him but didn’t salute because should it have been really you wouldn’t have. The CGs driver, a 1LT, got out and started yelling at the PVTs on the team. My old mustang lost his shit and told the LT to address him not his soldiers and went into the nuances on how saluting during this was unsafe and not realistic especially if it were a training for a large level response like 9/11. The CG got out and agreed with the rational on not saluting then dressed him down for yelling at his LT.
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Thanks for clarification from a retired HM . Most weenies don’t know marine corps is part of Navy Dept.
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Far as I can tell, you were correct in making that on-the-spot correction. I don't know if you happened to be in a "no-hat, no-salute" zone, but IT IS possible that the PFC could have been mistaken about something like that. I don't know because I wasn't there. BUT, you did the right thing! If we can't count on these junior soldiers to do the right thing with the small stuff, how are we supposed to trust them with the big stuff?
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As SGM Frazer said. Speaking as a retired Major - that Major was wrong, and you were right. Reminds me of a scene in "The Guns at Batasi" - - - where Rhichard Attenborough's character jacks up an EM for failure to salute. Worth a watch.
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Unfortunately customs and courtesies don't seem to stick with enlisted personnel after leaving basic training. I simply ignore it these days. I'm really not interested in chasing after a salute.
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SPC (Join to see) Okay I read many of the posts here and disagree with some agree with others. So I decided I would speak directly to you and not the others I feel that is counter productive.
In Correcting the PFC you were right. Your body language and voice tone may have made you look like a Mad Pitbull. I would have to assume a lot to answer this question as asked and could assume either way (both good/bad).
So my answer to you is reassess the situation Did you just Lamb blast the PFC or did talk to here in a manner that would put her on the defense.
I am not saying be overly nice but if you come off like HEY PFC and asked the question in front of the Officers present then Yes you could have come off a little aggressive better to give a short pause and then still correct the PFC. I would have said excuse me Sir I will catch up I have something to do then spoke to the PFC. IF it were AIT OR BOOT then it would be different.
Considering the happened in late 2014 I am sure you have been promoted and have learned a leadership style that your comfortable with.
Thankyou for your service and Good luck to you.
In Correcting the PFC you were right. Your body language and voice tone may have made you look like a Mad Pitbull. I would have to assume a lot to answer this question as asked and could assume either way (both good/bad).
So my answer to you is reassess the situation Did you just Lamb blast the PFC or did talk to here in a manner that would put her on the defense.
I am not saying be overly nice but if you come off like HEY PFC and asked the question in front of the Officers present then Yes you could have come off a little aggressive better to give a short pause and then still correct the PFC. I would have said excuse me Sir I will catch up I have something to do then spoke to the PFC. IF it were AIT OR BOOT then it would be different.
Considering the happened in late 2014 I am sure you have been promoted and have learned a leadership style that your comfortable with.
Thankyou for your service and Good luck to you.
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I think you handled it well. That's a lot nicer than we'd have gotten 25 years ago when I was a PFC. I've taught soldiers recently. It is a kinder gentler Army, but 5hats not necessarily a bad thing. Tact is definitely needed with younger troops today. Again, though, I think the original poster handled that pretty well.
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If it involves good order and discipline, I suggest that a) breaches of basic military courtesies, good order, and discipline , REQUIRE aggressive action to correct. And b) you can usually aggressively correct breaches of discipline tactfully, without embarrassment to most of the personnel involved.
In the case here, I might start with, "Excuse me, gentlemen...", step away, "Hey, Trooper, come here, I need a minute of your time." Once I had his attention, the next question would be, "Is there a reason why you failed to salute that company-grade officer and 5hat field-grade officer just now?"
How he answers will determine what you do with him next. Good troopers screw up just like boots, and that's forgivable. [In my case, I saluted, said, "Sorry, sir, my head was a thousand miles away, no excuse, sir." And my apology was accepted...] If he gets even the least belligerent, you'll have to hammer him, and I hope your Major understands that.
In the case here, I might start with, "Excuse me, gentlemen...", step away, "Hey, Trooper, come here, I need a minute of your time." Once I had his attention, the next question would be, "Is there a reason why you failed to salute that company-grade officer and 5hat field-grade officer just now?"
How he answers will determine what you do with him next. Good troopers screw up just like boots, and that's forgivable. [In my case, I saluted, said, "Sorry, sir, my head was a thousand miles away, no excuse, sir." And my apology was accepted...] If he gets even the least belligerent, you'll have to hammer him, and I hope your Major understands that.
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Excuse yourself from the major and drop that PFC for 20. Have her do a half-face and drop her for 20 more! Assign an NCO to see she gets into full battle gear for 20 laps around the entire hospital perimeter. She will salute you next time. Lol.
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That one was always easy. Ask the soldier if his arm is injured. If he says no, then dress him down.
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