Posted on Dec 15, 2015
What's your opinion when a National Guard soldier or reservist wears an active duty unit patch because they were attached ?
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Very simply put the division between ARNG/USAR and the AC needs to stop. My research found nearly 378,000 ARNG/USAR and other services Air Guard, Navy Reserves, Air Force Reserves and Marine Reserves deployed through 2006 in support of the Global War on Terror. Though not active duty, these men and women still volunteer and responded when called upon to do a job. If attached to an Army unit and authorized the patch, they earned it no less than the active duty service member. I was occasionally teased about being a NG and reservist while deployed. All in fun but the truth be told, if it wasn't for these reservists and guardsmen, active duty service members would never have been allowed to leave theater as there would have been no replacements. 3 deployments totaling 42 months as NG and reserves is a lot and in some cases more than a few active duty people I run into.
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1SG Joseph Yorski, MHS
Amen, Chief. And there's TONS of folks walking around active duty posts with nothing on the right sleeve, whereas maybe 10-15% of my unit hasn't deployed. And we're an ARNG RTI(Regional Training Institute), a schoolhouse. The line units are similar. If they haven't gone yet, they will. The war machine isn't stopping any time soon, despite what folks think.
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There isn't any opinion to it - regulations and policies on wear of the SSI-FWTS are pretty specific although most people (AC and RC) aren't aware of them and don't abide by them. If that is the patch that they are supposed to wear because it is the unit they were in (assigned/attached individually), then that is all that matters. On the other hand, just because a unit fell under, was assigned, attached, etc. to another unit doesn't authorize it to wear that higher unit's patch. The policies changed around 2007/2008 from wear the patch of the first unit above you while deployed that has their own patch (i.e. division, command, or separate brigade) to wear your own unit patch regardless of anything else.
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My personal opinion is this, regardless of the regulation. If a guard/reserve unit is deployed BN sized or larger then I feel you should wear the patch of that unit. If you’re in a CO/TRP/BRTY or smaller element and attacked to an active duty unit, then you should wear the active duty patch. While attached to a unit for wartime service you’re as much a part of that unit as anyone else. You’re definitely now part of that unit’s history.
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SSG Todd Halverson
So, would the same go if a CO or smaller guard / reserve unit was attached to another guard or reserve unit would they were the patch of that unit, even if it was from another State or RSC and did not look as good as their original patch?
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SSG Todd Halverson
There are a lot of scenarios we could examine, but the case you brought up seems to make sense. I do realize some patches look stupid, but it shouldn't be about the looks of a patch.
There are a lot of scenarios we could examine, but the case you brought up seems to make sense. I do realize some patches look stupid, but it shouldn't be about the looks of a patch.
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This is a funny subject for Reserve and National Guard Soldiers. I often ask guys that are wearing multiple patches, as I can, if they have orders for the patch they are sporting. I have a published order for each of the two that I am authorized to wear. They are in my iperms. I would think that if they have that, they are authorized. I am the keeper of the standards, but don't want to cause a whole component of the Army to be pissed at me. Just saying.....Only my 2 cents.,
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1SG Joseph Yorski, MHS
I'm not aware for any orders denoting combat patches. Do you mean a memo from those units verifying service? I'm of the same mind that you should have SOMEthing showing you served under the unit whose patch you're sporting on the right shoulder. Velcro makes this a bigger problem than it should be, lol.
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MSG (Join to see)
A memorandum with a list of names is an order, signed by someone of authority. I have a couple of them. The 670-1 also has dates and location of service in it.
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MSG (Join to see)
I had CA Soldiers trying to get any LT trying to sign a memo from the unit we were attached to to sign memos. More effort than the mission. Idiots.
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A solider is entitled to wear the patch (combat patch) of the unit in which said patch was earned. If they have more than one then they may choose which one to wear. DA determines which units are credited with combat service (what we used to call wartime service). In many cases the National Guard or Reserve unit authorized a shoulder sleeve insignia, does not get called up, only portions of the unit do, and therefore a National Guard or Reserve patch is not authorized for wear.
In virtually ever case the choice of which authorized patch to wear on the uniform is the choice of the individual soldier, not the unit.
In virtually ever case the choice of which authorized patch to wear on the uniform is the choice of the individual soldier, not the unit.
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SGT William Howell
MAJ Alvin B. I thought it was the individual assigned to the AD unit not the entire Guard Unit. Am I wrong?
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MAJ Alvin B.
You are correctt the combat patch is about the individual. I did not state an absolute, because unusual circumstances do occur.
Which patch a soldier is authorized to wear is a matter of the unit they are considered serving with at the time of combat service. On occasion, it is possible that they will not have had a specific unit patch so will be directed to wear a higher level patch, such as the theater level patch. The choice of patch wear if more then one is authorized is supposed to be a personal choice. However, I have seen units pressure the individual to wear their patch as opposed to another If they were aware the individual is qualified.
Which patch a soldier is authorized to wear is a matter of the unit they are considered serving with at the time of combat service. On occasion, it is possible that they will not have had a specific unit patch so will be directed to wear a higher level patch, such as the theater level patch. The choice of patch wear if more then one is authorized is supposed to be a personal choice. However, I have seen units pressure the individual to wear their patch as opposed to another If they were aware the individual is qualified.
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I am OK with it. But, I also never really understood why most/many RC Soldiers (generally) wanted wear the patch of the AD unit they were assigned to vs. their own patch.
The rules have changed for combat patches (SSIFWS) more than once... As an example, in OIF 1 you could wear the patch of the unit were in support of. In OIF 06-08 the rule was, if you had a patch you wore on your left sleeve, that was also your combat patch. CSM Mellinger, CSM, MNFI, would stop random Soldiers and call them out if their left and right sleeve did not match. We actually had Guard and Reserve Units (the vast majority of our 8000 person TF) in our JTF who actually initiated Congressionals because of combat patches....
I actually like/d seeing combat patches for storied units like the 29th Infantry, 42nd Infantry etc.
But, my experience told me the vast majority of the RC Soldiers wanted to wear an active duty patch...
Does it really matter what patch you wear?
The rules have changed for combat patches (SSIFWS) more than once... As an example, in OIF 1 you could wear the patch of the unit were in support of. In OIF 06-08 the rule was, if you had a patch you wore on your left sleeve, that was also your combat patch. CSM Mellinger, CSM, MNFI, would stop random Soldiers and call them out if their left and right sleeve did not match. We actually had Guard and Reserve Units (the vast majority of our 8000 person TF) in our JTF who actually initiated Congressionals because of combat patches....
I actually like/d seeing combat patches for storied units like the 29th Infantry, 42nd Infantry etc.
But, my experience told me the vast majority of the RC Soldiers wanted to wear an active duty patch...
Does it really matter what patch you wear?
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LTC Paul Labrador
Sir, same reason why some support folks want to wear the patch of a unit they may have supported: Prestige. Let's not be naĂŻve and think there isn't a hierarchy of prestige that comes with certain patches and units. Right or wrong, even on the medical side, I look at folks who wear a combat arms SSIFWS a bit differently than someone who is wearing a Med BDE SSIFWS. Med BDE typically means you were in a CSH (and there is nothing "bad" about that) or other corps level support element, but a combat arms patch means you served down on the line. I am authorized both the 3ACR and 44th Med BDE SSIFWS, but I wear my 3ACR one almost exclusively. Why? Because I'm right proud to have served with the Cav. I am one of a handful of Army Nurses who have spurs. It says that what I did in theater was a bit different than what my peers did.
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LTC Paul Labrador
SGM Lynette Streitfield - I have the utmost respect for our senior NCOs and what they provide for our Army, but you are right, that was just petty and I would have called him out on that one.
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1SG (Join to see)
Why would the current SSI and Former Wartime SSI have to match?
My wartime SSI is 1MARDIV, current unit SSI has no relevance.
My wartime SSI is 1MARDIV, current unit SSI has no relevance.
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COL Charles Williams
1SG (Join to see) - Rules Change all the time. I was stating at that time, if your unit you were deployed with had a left sleeve organizational patch, that was your Combat Patch. Not the unit you fell under or supported. I understand folks move and deploy more than once, I as did many times. My point was about the policy at that time, as to what patch you were awarded at the time. My left and right sleeves only matched at the time I was there.
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And you've been in long enough to know it's authorized SFC Jim Mergott. Good to see you're still around brother.
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Sometimes its the only option for the Soldier. Some units wear their states JFHQs SSI (Shoulder Sleeve Insignia). There's an Army Reg somewhere that prohibits them from being worn as a SSI FWTS (Former War Time Service). So the Soldiers in those unit have to wear whatever SSI their higher organization is assigned to.
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Overthinking this perhaps? Feelings aside (as they do not write Army regulations), relax, follow the current regulations and drive on.
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I earned all my combat patches while on Active Duty before I transitioned to the Reserves.
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