Posted on May 21, 2021
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On the APFT many soldiers and units would strive for their soldiers and unit averages to fall at 270 and above. What score goal do you believe will be in line with the old 270 on the APFT?
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SFC Explosive Ordnance Disposal Specialist
I would have to guess that 90 in each event would be the equivalent. So 540. Good luck.
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My colleague and I were talking today and that is the number that we came up with as well. I will say though, a 540 will be much harder to obtain than a 270 was.
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It's not even in full effect and we're talking about invented unit crap, as in not the Army standard. There is only one standard, you may not add to or take away. Striving for a score is one thing, but the whole "in this unit we have a policy that you MUST score at least xxx or else you're a dirtbag and will be treated as such" is crap and needs to be eliminated.
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Sir,
No one said you’d be a dirtbag if you didn’t score a certain score. However, like it or not, the Army does hold soldiers to a standard and those who can well exceed those standards are typically seen in a higher regard...and that’s not just PT related. The Army does have a standard, but if you can not only meet that standard, but completely push past it, than good on you!
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SSG Clint Underhill yes. That's why we have scores and not pass/fail. I'm talking about when a unit has a set "standard" higher than the Army one and holds it against Soldiers who don't make it.
Obviously when a Soldier makes the effort on their own to exceed the standard it looks favorably.
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Sir,
I’ve been a part of those “standards”, but we all know that if you don’t meet those standards, nothing can technically happen to you. I do like the added push that it gives soldiers though. The units I’ve been a part of will typically have incentives for meeting said standards. CW2 (Join to see)
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SSG Clint Underhill so have I. But we'd also benefit more from Soldiers who just give more, rather than having to be incentivized.
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My biggest concern is people will burn out and not have enough energy left for the Run. I retire in November so I'm glad I don't have to deal with this. My last PT score was a 299. I am 58 years old but when I was an officer basic, I did 318 on extended scale.
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Stephen I am thinking that was part of the design of the current PFT. Honestly prior to seeing it I would have most likely came up something completely different. However, this is something that took years to develop and truck loads of real experts designed it. I think it gives a much more accurate readout of a SM/units physical readiness. I am going to stop it is easy for me to preach when I am retired...
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LTC Jeff Shearer it is a cluster Foxtrot. Females fail the tuck so bad they added the plank as an alternate. I forsee 10% loss in the force and the direct commission Medical people will quit or not bother to join. When you just worry about retention, they're going to have a hell of a quandary after March of next year when it goes for record. I know I could pass it. I just think it's one of the dumbest ideas. My civilian job keeps me fit and I could be ready for the old a PFT in two weeks time. This will be a shock to the system for the National Guard and Army Reserve people. We already waste so much time with mandatory training but to set up and run through Lanes of people for the Army Combat fitness test, is just not good military sense.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/05/10/nearly-half-of-female-soldiers-still-failing-new-army-fitness-test-while-males-pass-easily.html
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff I have been an athlete all my life. This will kill 10% of retention. Your ideas are sound but it will not be effective for some in the Reserve Component.
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LTC (Join to see) - I have to disagree. The Army has known since the 80's that the APFT wasn't a good test of readiness for the stress of Combat and this is the second attempt to develop a test that simulated the muscles that you used in those conditions. The first one was squashed quicker and for the same reason, females were not passing it at the rate that would allow them into the MOS's they had opened up. Instead of accepting the biological fact that men carry more muscle mass and are generally stronger than women and developing a training program to at least minimize those strength differences, they nuked it. It now appears that there is a large voice that wants to can this program.
So to my point. Are men generally stronger? Absolutely. The current male record of the Deadlift is 1104 Lbs. The woman's record is 683 lbs. But as passing score for a deadlift is only 140 lbs.
Strength training takes less time and requires less training to maintain than aerobic fitness, the Army just has never tried to do real strength train as part of PT. I think any decent weight banger could come up with a short program that could be trained twice a week and get both men and women to a point that they could deal with this test.

If I were trying to build strength in the absolute least amount of time, I would pick these five exercises, Deadlift, Bent Over Row, Inclined Bench Press, Squats, and a Shoulder Press to the Front. You could either do the first three twice a week, then alternate with the last two, or do the first three one day a week and the other two one day a week. Three sets, the first two sets of 10 at about 75 to 80% of Rep Maximum, the last set to Rep Maximum between 6 and 10 reps. When you hit 10 on the last set, kick the weights up. Try that for a month as see if you don't have results. This will work for men or women.

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