Posted on Mar 7, 2023
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The tragedy of the deaths of 2 of four Americans at the hands of Drug Cartels operating in Mexico begs the question - When is enough - enough?
Some are calling for US Military intervention to level the head of the snake and place "salt" on the body of the snake to desiccate its mobility and striking capacity.
Some are calling for less aggressive means.
These links were interesting to review:
- https://www.storybench.org/visualizing-mexicos-drug-cartels-roundup-maps/
- https://sgp.fas.org/crs/row/R41576.pdf
- https://edac.unm.edu/projects/meth_labs/
- https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf
- https://kfor.com/news/interactive-map-tracking-cartel-arrests-across-the-country/
- https://ktla.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/nationworld/dea-drug-cartels-using-snapchat-other-social-media-to-target-children/
- https://trone.house.gov/2022/08/30/how-two-mexican-drug-cartels-came-to-dominate-americas-fentanyl-supply/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/pjifea/map_of_meth_labs_per_county/
- https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs43/43386/43386p.pdf
- https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13 [login to see] 3-2
- https://www.randoxtoxicology.com/illicit-drugs-costs-the-usa-more-than-740-billion-annually/
It is interesting how we know so much and somehow can do so little.........
Again, I'd just like to say - If "We the people of the United States,..." are to work to form "...a more perfect union..." then how can we continue to tolerate a government that speaks to "equity" and at the same time excludes it population from the capacity to enjoy "...domestic tranquility..." by not being able to effectively and efficiently "...provide for the common defense..." in such a manner so as to be able to "...promote the general welfare..." that leads to greater capacity to "...establish justice..." so that everyone who seeks the protection of the law know that the power of good law well administered without political despotism can help '...secure the blessings of liberty..."; then why the ##$%@##@$#$^#$&#$^#$*@Q@ cannot 535 members of Congress, #s of those in the Executive Branch, and the obviously delusional members of some in the Justice Department not honestly recognize the very Clear and Present Danger in both the US Southern and Northern Borders and along all three coast lines?
Is it that hard for those who call themselves leaders to - actually led???
Of course, the answer is simple ..........................
BTW check out this follow-on post regarding cartel etc. asset seizures. Interesting read!
(https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-should-be-done-with-seized-assets-from-the-drug-cartels-including-rogue-opportunistic-doctors-pharmacist)
What do you think?
Just saying.............
Some are calling for US Military intervention to level the head of the snake and place "salt" on the body of the snake to desiccate its mobility and striking capacity.
Some are calling for less aggressive means.
These links were interesting to review:
- https://www.storybench.org/visualizing-mexicos-drug-cartels-roundup-maps/
- https://sgp.fas.org/crs/row/R41576.pdf
- https://edac.unm.edu/projects/meth_labs/
- https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf
- https://kfor.com/news/interactive-map-tracking-cartel-arrests-across-the-country/
- https://ktla.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/nationworld/dea-drug-cartels-using-snapchat-other-social-media-to-target-children/
- https://trone.house.gov/2022/08/30/how-two-mexican-drug-cartels-came-to-dominate-americas-fentanyl-supply/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/pjifea/map_of_meth_labs_per_county/
- https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs43/43386/43386p.pdf
- https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13 [login to see] 3-2
- https://www.randoxtoxicology.com/illicit-drugs-costs-the-usa-more-than-740-billion-annually/
It is interesting how we know so much and somehow can do so little.........
Again, I'd just like to say - If "We the people of the United States,..." are to work to form "...a more perfect union..." then how can we continue to tolerate a government that speaks to "equity" and at the same time excludes it population from the capacity to enjoy "...domestic tranquility..." by not being able to effectively and efficiently "...provide for the common defense..." in such a manner so as to be able to "...promote the general welfare..." that leads to greater capacity to "...establish justice..." so that everyone who seeks the protection of the law know that the power of good law well administered without political despotism can help '...secure the blessings of liberty..."; then why the ##$%@##@$#$^#$&#$^#$*@Q@ cannot 535 members of Congress, #s of those in the Executive Branch, and the obviously delusional members of some in the Justice Department not honestly recognize the very Clear and Present Danger in both the US Southern and Northern Borders and along all three coast lines?
Is it that hard for those who call themselves leaders to - actually led???
Of course, the answer is simple ..........................
BTW check out this follow-on post regarding cartel etc. asset seizures. Interesting read!
(https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-should-be-done-with-seized-assets-from-the-drug-cartels-including-rogue-opportunistic-doctors-pharmacist)
What do you think?
Just saying.............
Edited 3 y ago
Posted 3 y ago
Responses: 22
I don't agree with ANY of these available answers. Roping people into a corner by only providing them with BS politicized answers is everything that's wrong with this country today. You're more interested in scoring a "gotcha" and gaining support for your point than in actually understanding the issue. The idea of using the "full weight" and "strategic assets" includes nuclear weapons folks. You gonna be the one to suggest that we "Nuke El Chapo"??
Does anyone believe that there may be solutions short of applying military force to the issue? I sure do.
Does anyone believe that there may be solutions short of applying military force to the issue? I sure do.
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We don't intervene militarily because two Americans were murdered in France, or the UK, so why the urgency to do so in Mexico? The real truth is the highest rate of un-natural death for Americans per capita is in Thailand, with 80.5 deaths per million visitors. https://time.com/4250811/travel-safety/#:~:text=What%20it%20also%20reveals%20the,causes%20while%20abroad%20each%20year. Vietnam (33.8), Costa Rica (30.8), the Philippines (28.7), and Australia (27.8) all rank in the top 5. It may seem popular to cry "let's invade!" every time we hear of events we're unhappy with overseas, but that's not how things work. Instead, we should work to increase military and diplomatic cooperation and training to make local police stronger and to remove the causes of crime. As for the drug cartels, we've fought for 50+ years to eradicate them here and abroad with limited success. Combining strong law enforcement (which has been our traditional response) with eliminating the socio-economic causes which create markets for drugs here in America may be the answer.
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There are towns who have no police support, folks driven from there homes and many used and abused for the end of those involved in the cartels. Sounds alot like Afghanistan and Iraq while I was there. Mexican government would support our help to go in and decimate them and leave so we could have more trade and a stronger alliance I'm sure.
I feel like to many people are scared to speak up, or take action including those in power. I'm not scared are you?
I feel like to many people are scared to speak up, or take action including those in power. I'm not scared are you?
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Way over due to take the gloves off!!! We can’t fight cartels making $60 billion while we’re spending $2 billion to mitigate. Time for whole of government approach ensuring the current agencies DEA, HLS, etc…lead those efforts.
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First off, "equity" as the current left-leaning political and intellectual elite classes use it has nothing to do with "equality" and is actually its antithesis. If you believe in the enlightenment principles upon which this country was founded, you will rightly reject the twisted doublespeak of that ideological and illiberal agenda. Left is right, good is evil, the National Socialist Party wasn't Socialist - Fascists weren't collectivist, left-wing socialists at all... no they were... individualist, right-wing Capitalists! That's right! Those dirty, dirty, individualists! (who happened to call their party the National SOCIALIST Party and were the ideological brethren of the also-genocidal Bolshevik Communists and Maoist Communists but.. Move along!)
That aside, I think that they are managing the collapse of the liberal order on purpose (enlightenment principles upon which our government was founded, not the American political ideology of the past century and a half or so) in service of their owners, the donor class - the would-be masters of the universe who've quite successfully been corrupting our government for decades. They don't even bother to hide who they are or what they intend anymore. The politicians still play at hiding what they're doing but you've really got to be completely not paying attention to not see that they are actively undermining our rights and expanding the bureaucracy at every turn.
None of this serves actual voters. It only serves their own interests and those of unelected government officials and those who might use the government to control society. We've seen this play, many times before. It was never supposed to happen here. Alas, generations of good men doing nothing and all that.
I think that this issue with the cartels is one part of a greater campaign of lawlessness which is meant to soften us up to get us to accept ceding even more of our rights in return for "security" in exactly the same way as they did with the decades of terrorism leading to 9/11. If you're an authoritarian playing the long game and wanting to get into being able to peek into places the 4th Amendment says, summarily, "pound sand", what better excuse could you have than simple inaction against rank criminality? It's the gift that keeps on giving. We've got FBI fabricating plots with their "informants" to entrap citizens and make their careers, get promotions, etc. Perverse incentives. Why not this too?
Our Government has become and is patently LAWLESS. As the old saying goes, the fish rots from the head. WE are paying the price for it with our blood and the blood of our children.
So, yes, as a matter of principle, I think we should clean house and remove the threat to our children and communities in the only effective way in which that end will be attained.
That does NOT mean that it stops with crushing a few cartels south of the U.S. / Mexico border. The problem is within our own border, in our own halls of government. These wholly corrupt, bought and paid for politicians are the reason our children, brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers are dying untimely deaths BY THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS EACH YEAR.
THEY ARE THE DOMESTIC ENEMY, NOT YOUR NEIGHBOR. ORGANIZE YOUR COMMUNITY AND VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE. HOLD THEM TO ACCOUNT FOR THE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.
That aside, I think that they are managing the collapse of the liberal order on purpose (enlightenment principles upon which our government was founded, not the American political ideology of the past century and a half or so) in service of their owners, the donor class - the would-be masters of the universe who've quite successfully been corrupting our government for decades. They don't even bother to hide who they are or what they intend anymore. The politicians still play at hiding what they're doing but you've really got to be completely not paying attention to not see that they are actively undermining our rights and expanding the bureaucracy at every turn.
None of this serves actual voters. It only serves their own interests and those of unelected government officials and those who might use the government to control society. We've seen this play, many times before. It was never supposed to happen here. Alas, generations of good men doing nothing and all that.
I think that this issue with the cartels is one part of a greater campaign of lawlessness which is meant to soften us up to get us to accept ceding even more of our rights in return for "security" in exactly the same way as they did with the decades of terrorism leading to 9/11. If you're an authoritarian playing the long game and wanting to get into being able to peek into places the 4th Amendment says, summarily, "pound sand", what better excuse could you have than simple inaction against rank criminality? It's the gift that keeps on giving. We've got FBI fabricating plots with their "informants" to entrap citizens and make their careers, get promotions, etc. Perverse incentives. Why not this too?
Our Government has become and is patently LAWLESS. As the old saying goes, the fish rots from the head. WE are paying the price for it with our blood and the blood of our children.
So, yes, as a matter of principle, I think we should clean house and remove the threat to our children and communities in the only effective way in which that end will be attained.
That does NOT mean that it stops with crushing a few cartels south of the U.S. / Mexico border. The problem is within our own border, in our own halls of government. These wholly corrupt, bought and paid for politicians are the reason our children, brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers are dying untimely deaths BY THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS EACH YEAR.
THEY ARE THE DOMESTIC ENEMY, NOT YOUR NEIGHBOR. ORGANIZE YOUR COMMUNITY AND VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE. HOLD THEM TO ACCOUNT FOR THE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.
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Use the full weight of the military and use strategic and tactical assets to destroy the cartel. But more importantly: stop/forbide/ban all Americans from traveling to Mexico untill the job is done.
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Seriously, how many times has the USA tried drug interdiction with military forces and succeeded? The answer is NEVER. It does not work that way. You simply cannot be effective with a large scale military response, when the enemy operates in a covert environment. We did it throughout the 1980s and it failed miserably. We tried to do it in Afghanistan with burning poppy fields and such, and it failed miserably. We tried stopping the drug trade in Somalia and it failed. The bottom line here is that the U.S. military machine is designed to fight armies, not shadow wars.
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Buy Mexico. Not buy Mexican products. Buy the whole dang country.
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CPT Lawrence Cable has great ideas. We need the House to pass a Authorization for use of military force to destroy the cartels in the US and in Mexico with or without the Mexican Government help. Then fund the campaign to kill the cartels. Essentially dare the Democrats to vote against the AUMF in the Senate and President Biden to veto.
Then develop and implement a plan to destroy the Cartels. In the US work with other Federal Agencies. Maybe even de
Then develop and implement a plan to destroy the Cartels. In the US work with other Federal Agencies. Maybe even de
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