Posted on Feb 16, 2017
What should be done if the President is mentally ill?
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If the man at the top may be unstable - then the White House is likely to exhibit some instability - as well as some efforts by the White House staff - who are normal infighters - to undermine and replace the man at the top. The problem, however, is how to accomplish regime change (the replacement of a mentally unstable incumbent with another member of the ruling political party) within the very strict confines of the United States Constitution - and within the constraint of maintaining the full faith and confidence of the citizens. Time to bring Mike Pence up to bat.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mental-health-new-york-times-incapable-being-president-warning-open-letter-a7578831.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html
http://www.lancedodes.com/new-york-times-letter
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mental-health-new-york-times-incapable-being-president-warning-open-letter-a7578831.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html
http://www.lancedodes.com/new-york-times-letter
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When will Trump Derangement Syndrome be added to the DSM-IV, but only as a sub-category under Progressive Liberalism?
I am supposed to believe the mental soundness of women wearing vagina hats marching under the leadership of a woman who is an advocate of Shariah Law, Rioters supporting thugs over Law Enforcement personnel, Idiots who run in front of speeding traffic on freeways? I don't think so!
Trump indeed has a huge sized Ego, and is uncouth and brash. I admit he is quite narcissistic,I actually can see some honest concern about his temperament being the best for the job, however this is a far cry from divorced from reality, delusional mental health.
Simply disagreeing with ones policies is not a means to define mental illness. If it were, then everyone of the opposition, of both sides, would be at risk of being classified as mentally ill, so long as the one conducting the examination was of the other political view.
Imagine all the disability claims then? (motive?)
I am supposed to believe the mental soundness of women wearing vagina hats marching under the leadership of a woman who is an advocate of Shariah Law, Rioters supporting thugs over Law Enforcement personnel, Idiots who run in front of speeding traffic on freeways? I don't think so!
Trump indeed has a huge sized Ego, and is uncouth and brash. I admit he is quite narcissistic,I actually can see some honest concern about his temperament being the best for the job, however this is a far cry from divorced from reality, delusional mental health.
Simply disagreeing with ones policies is not a means to define mental illness. If it were, then everyone of the opposition, of both sides, would be at risk of being classified as mentally ill, so long as the one conducting the examination was of the other political view.
Imagine all the disability claims then? (motive?)
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1stSgt Mack Housman
PVT Raymond Lopez - It would be no great loss if that man did put a bullet in his head!
PVT Raymond Lopez
1stSgt Mack Housman - Do you have any idea what what a bullet costs?
1stSgt Mack Housman
Not sure why you would ask me that, but yes.
Sgt Vance Bonds
PO2 Gail Grace, I wish I could hit thumbs up multiple times on you post. I would personally define mental illness as you have. Running into traffic, wearing Pussy Hats on hate marches led by a woman who is not only an advocate for Sharia Law but against our constitution. You used examples that are scary. Any politician or other, that agreed or agrees with that type of craziness is....well, crazy! Bravo Zulu Ma'am.
What does the Constitution say about the removal of a sitting president? Oh, yeah, I'll go with a foreign news outlet. Although, the not so subtle attempt to go that direction, ain't gonna happen.
PO3 Donald Murphy
SSgt Christopher Brose - We are sadly already there and have been there for a few decades now. Its no longer "America first." Its "my team first." Politics has been relegated to being a team sport. I sadly saw it firsthand when I worked for the elections board in my county.
MCPO Roger Collins
PO3 Donald Murphy - Nothing new, that was the situation up to the time of our creation as an independent country. Then, over the years, the politicians honed the process until we arrived at where we are today.
PO3 Donald Murphy
MCPO Roger Collins - Its normally been "that bad" during an election, but the nation has tended to rally together once the election is over. We term it "bi-partisonship" now, but back then it was common sense. You bad mouth the other party while you're running against them, but once the election is over, you roll your sleeves up and get to work "running America." Then in 1912 all of that changed. The banks started to exert a larger influence in government.
What the media, left, and liberals in general are failing to understand and comprehend is that President Trump was elected BECAUSE he is not a politician. He promised a new way of doing things and that he's delivered by the bomber load so far. Each time you complain about him or try to find some new way to portray him as evil, incompetent, etc. you're playing directly into his hands and those of the people who elected him. It's politics but the other side of the coin.
In the words of Beck..."don't believe everything that you read' as it's likely to be biased and tailored to fit a specific audience and elicit a specific response. Who wants to be agreed with all the time anyway...where's the fun?
Please remember there were plenty of people who tried to illegitimize President Obama as well. The god's honest truth is that if you feel strongly enough that the current political system is flawed, and tyrants are in charge, then it is your responsibility, according to the oath you took, to defend the Constitution (insert Thomas Jefferson's blood of tyrants quote here), which will create a bit of an oxymoron for you as the Constitution is what allowed for the President's election.
In the words of Beck..."don't believe everything that you read' as it's likely to be biased and tailored to fit a specific audience and elicit a specific response. Who wants to be agreed with all the time anyway...where's the fun?
Please remember there were plenty of people who tried to illegitimize President Obama as well. The god's honest truth is that if you feel strongly enough that the current political system is flawed, and tyrants are in charge, then it is your responsibility, according to the oath you took, to defend the Constitution (insert Thomas Jefferson's blood of tyrants quote here), which will create a bit of an oxymoron for you as the Constitution is what allowed for the President's election.
President Lincoln had a long history of mental illness and he was able to govern. And Reagan was in the early states of alzheimer's during his second term. I think a lot depends on what kind of illness we're talking about and how severe it is.
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CPT Wallace Dunn
CPO Jim Cerullo - It's amazing that you can diagnose that... You sure you're not talking about your hero Obama?
PO1 Kevin Dougherty
And if I remember right, Grant was a raving alcoholic. Coolidge seemed to suffer inconsolable grief and depression after the death of his son, yet served the country well. A couple of others come to mind who also served well despite exhibiting questionable behavior at times.
SFC Jim Ruether
I think if President Reagan was here right now and heard what Sandy had to say about our sitting president he would respond this way; "I want you to know that I will not make age an issue of this question. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, Sandy's youth and inexperience."
GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
If Reagan were here he's be disgusted, disappointed, then he'd be run out of town.
The 25th amendment section 4 has procedures to this effect. However, the chances of them invoking that is basically zero as it requires the Vice President and one of the following: the majority of cabinet members, or Congress to declare him as such. Have you considered that Trump's every move is calculated? You don't get to achieve what he has by being unstable. I personally think that everything he says has a specific result in mind.
You refer to a news agency based in a socialist country talking about our government and politics. According to the article the doctors who wrote this open letter admittedly have formed opinions and published them on an individual they have not spent one minute examining. Seems to me they all should be in fear of losing their license to practice. Two reasons, they are not simply presenting an opinion as private citizens, but rather as medical professionals. That means they are openly discussing an individuals alleged medical issues. A direct violation of federal law and the HIPPA requirements. That alone is enough for them to be prosecuted, lose their license and spend time at the crossbar hotel. The newspaper is also culpable for publishing the letter. Look, I get it, you can't stand the guy. But you don't need to stoop to this level. IF he were to be found incompetent, Mike Pence would simply be promoted per the constitution. I have commented on your posts in the past. You are smarter than this. The absolute best thing you can do is to get involved in politics yourself by running for office, starting at the local level. In other words, don't wallow in misery for the next 4 - 8 years, use that energy and do something about it so that you can call the shots. However, like they say, be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.
SPC Randy Torgerson
1LT Sandy Annala - Sandy, Trump has never been a politician in his life. Can't you give him a year or two to see what he learns and what the results are of his actions? At some point in our conversation here on RallyPoint you have to grow up and accept that Trump has the job and no amount of whining is going to change that. Just give him a chance and quite fighting him every step.
Join the rest of us who have hope knowing that up to this point our country has declined (in the past 40+ years), and that a change might be positive. You simply can't argue against the idea of keeping America safe and limiting our border crossings to legitimate doorways. At least agree on that? Bringing the country together is a 2 way street. One side can not bring us together. Both sides require commitment to help each other. You can't expect Trump to do it all. He works for us. So help him and stop hurting the office of President of the United States.
Join the rest of us who have hope knowing that up to this point our country has declined (in the past 40+ years), and that a change might be positive. You simply can't argue against the idea of keeping America safe and limiting our border crossings to legitimate doorways. At least agree on that? Bringing the country together is a 2 way street. One side can not bring us together. Both sides require commitment to help each other. You can't expect Trump to do it all. He works for us. So help him and stop hurting the office of President of the United States.
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n.b. I have a bronze plaque on my desk that was a gift among other memorabilia from President Reagan. President Reagan wrote "There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he does not mind who gets the credit." Given President Reagan's sentiments, please tell me what makes you believe that Donald Trump could ever be prepared, competent, or worthy of my personal loyalty and/or my personal respect.
SPC Randy Torgerson - I am totally loyal to the United States, US Constitution, Office of The US President, and The People of The United States. While I respect and will do my duty to The Office of The US President - please do not expect me to countenance the incompetence and juvenile self absorbed behavior of the current occupant of that office. The deeply narcissistic focus on the man's personal image, the intense focus on promise keeping where the promises were not properly formulated given the real national security risks confronting our country, and the repeated attempts to label loyal American citizens as enemies of the state ( media, liberals, democrats, congressmen, and the courts ) do not inspire either personal admiration or personal loyalty on my colleagues or my part. I believe the man needs to be replaced by Mike Pence at the earliest possible opportunity. There is no excuse for leaving our country vulnerable to numerous real national security threats because this man is so self absorbed and intent on acting alone that he cannot work cooperatively with our congress and intelligence agencies. There is no excuse for his focus on discriminating against loyal and worthy citizens, immigrants, and refugees who have only the best interests of our country in their minds. Warmest Regards, Sandy
SPC Randy Torgerson - I am totally loyal to the United States, US Constitution, Office of The US President, and The People of The United States. While I respect and will do my duty to The Office of The US President - please do not expect me to countenance the incompetence and juvenile self absorbed behavior of the current occupant of that office. The deeply narcissistic focus on the man's personal image, the intense focus on promise keeping where the promises were not properly formulated given the real national security risks confronting our country, and the repeated attempts to label loyal American citizens as enemies of the state ( media, liberals, democrats, congressmen, and the courts ) do not inspire either personal admiration or personal loyalty on my colleagues or my part. I believe the man needs to be replaced by Mike Pence at the earliest possible opportunity. There is no excuse for leaving our country vulnerable to numerous real national security threats because this man is so self absorbed and intent on acting alone that he cannot work cooperatively with our congress and intelligence agencies. There is no excuse for his focus on discriminating against loyal and worthy citizens, immigrants, and refugees who have only the best interests of our country in their minds. Warmest Regards, Sandy
GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
Well, that plaque doesn't fit POTUS. He'll only take credit for the good stuff, and blames someone else for anything bad. He disassociates himself with any type of failure because his fragile ego can't take it. He's just not a good fit as president.
This applies to each since...Washington- at some point or another during their tenure. Lincoln, Grant, Roosevelt(s), Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon and Carter were bats**t cray cray before they were elected. Kidding...seriously- who is going to be that judge?
LCpl Todd Houston
1LT Sandy Annala - You really don't get it do you. You know EXACTLY what I was saying and all you do is try to act cute by changing your own words to support whatever b.s. you are trying to get folks to believe. It will always amaze me how some people can be so damn intelligent, but refuse to look both ways before they cross the road because they think the driver should have thought of it first.
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LCpl Todd Houston - You are being obtuse / opaque. What do you really mean? Sandy :)
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"Trump's exploitation, racial and religious profiling, damage to international standing, confidence, and reputation, targeting of numerous rather vulnerable individuals and groups, and other highly destructive words and behavior are unworthy to even clean the boots of anyone else who has actually served in the Office of The President of The United States throughout the course of the past 40 years"
Just about everyone that has sat in a seat of power or authority in Washington DC over the last 2 1/2 centuries has been guilty of some form of exploitation.
Racial and religious profiling has also been a thing, pretty much since the beginning of civilization. Although we, in America, had the illusion prior to 2009 regarding race and 2001 regarding religion that it no longer existed outside of small groups in remote places.
Our international standing, confidence, and reputation went down the toilet in January of 2009.
Just about everyone that has sat in a seat of power or authority in Washington DC over the last 2 1/2 centuries has been guilty of some form of exploitation.
Racial and religious profiling has also been a thing, pretty much since the beginning of civilization. Although we, in America, had the illusion prior to 2009 regarding race and 2001 regarding religion that it no longer existed outside of small groups in remote places.
Our international standing, confidence, and reputation went down the toilet in January of 2009.
LCpl Bruce Northey
SSG (Join to see) - not like obozzo and his apologize tour, do you even remember last time he went to china? they didnt even have stairs for his plan, no Trump is only hurt our standing with liberals and globalist, both should be considered enemy of the US
The President is assigned a physician or chooses one via the White House unit and the majority of them in the past have been Active Duty Military officers. Really he or she should be the only one concerned or making public pronouncements on the President's mental health. I would imagine it works the same way as if a General became mentally ill, his Doctor would mention it to the chain of command and up the chain it would go. The President's Doctor follows him around everywhere just like the Nuclear football. I would guess the Chain of Command for the White House Physicians unit is pretty flat. So in my view, it would be pretty difficult to have a mentally unstable President for more than a day or two before they would be relieved of duties. So sorry you were taken in by the Liberal narrative here but the check and balance is in place for this.
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