Posted on Sep 8, 2021
What suggestions do you have for renaming DoD installations honoring Confederate officers?
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Doesn't matter if you agree with this move or not - it's been directed and it's happening. What are your suggestions for renaming the following bases?
- Fort Bragg
- Fort Rucker
- Fort Benning
- Fort Gordon
- Fort Hood
- Fort Polk
- Fort A.P. Hill
- Fort Belvoir
- Fort Lee
- Fort Pickett
- Fort Bragg
- Fort Rucker
- Fort Benning
- Fort Gordon
- Fort Hood
- Fort Polk
- Fort A.P. Hill
- Fort Belvoir
- Fort Lee
- Fort Pickett
Civil War
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SSgt Tracy Kawasaki
They were not American officers. They renounced their citizenship to the United States of America and pledged their loyalty to their new country, The Confederate States of America. They killed Americans and fought to preserve the idea that one man can and should own another man.
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SGT Robert Bowers
SSgt Tracy Kawasaki - Read the entire history. All of them were, by Act of Congress, made United States Veterans just like us. Unfortunately, they are given no more respect by todays woke morons than many of us were in the 60's and 70's.
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It is part of our countries history, like it or not. You can't just cancel the past by trying to wipe away a name! Leave it alone and get on with something more important like helping your fellow man if they need help.
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Keep them for another sixty years until that generation complains that we committed some atrocity/s because our culture is different from theirs. Was what they did wrong for the time they lived in? In today's society it is wrong, but how did we come to that conclusion? Because of decisions and battles along the way. Now people are trying to erase that history.
If all of these people were on the losing side then why are there so many statues, streets, and buildings named after them? Usually the victor gets the spoils, but that's not the case with these naming conventions. Whether it was done for hero worship or history doesn't matter.
What matters is that every time we see one of these we remember what not to do. Once all of these names have been erased from our country and books, how many generations before something like this happens again? Considering that the US is quickly going down the path that Argentina did it may not even be that long.
If all of these people were on the losing side then why are there so many statues, streets, and buildings named after them? Usually the victor gets the spoils, but that's not the case with these naming conventions. Whether it was done for hero worship or history doesn't matter.
What matters is that every time we see one of these we remember what not to do. Once all of these names have been erased from our country and books, how many generations before something like this happens again? Considering that the US is quickly going down the path that Argentina did it may not even be that long.
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SSG Michael D.
Good Call Leon. Decades down the road someone will start a campaign to erase the damages done via bi-dumbo, Pe-loser, and Ka-dumba!
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I think it's a slippery slope to judge people in history by modern standards. Regardless of how you feel about them, those people believed in their hearts they were doing the right thing whether we do or not and they acted on those beliefs. Right or wrong, their actions are responsible in part for what our country has become today. While I believe it was going to happen eventually, their actions most likely accelerated the freeing of the slaves. If you feel positively about our country in any way, and why would join the military if you didn't have some good feeling for the country you are serving, then you have to accept that the country is a result of countless events and actions that have been happening for centuries. Whitewashing our history is only going to lead to ignorance on the topic and and ignorance of history, as we've all heard throughout our lives, dooms us to repeat it. So, by today's standards those people were traitors. But their actions are a part of this country. We would not be who we are now if not for them. I know there are those out there that think our country is horrible, and to them I grabbing a globe to pick the next place they want to try living. Make sure you look closely at their history to make sure they don't have any atrocities to account for. Airplanes can reach every point on the planet. And if the country is so bad, why are countless millions trying to get into it every year? Can't be that bad. I love my country--warts and all.
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Our history will always be with us, both good and bad. The names of the bases should not be changed.
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
I agree SSG Gilmore. This rediculous, woke, democratic/comunist party won't have power much longer. People who hated Trump are having buyers remorce. That senile Biden and his merry band of morons Just leave well enough alone. Tell the woke idiots to go pound sand
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Okay, I really need someone to explain this to me, and break it down to me like I'm five: how is it any sort of acceptable to celebrate people who, at the end of the day, fought a war to be honest-to-god not-Americans?
For the purposes and contexts of this discussion, I don't care how you feel about the causes behind the Civil War, the personal stances of the men the bases were named after, their accomplishments, any of it. At the end of the day, they went to war for the sole purpose of creating their own sovereign nation that was no longer subject to the Constitution of the United States, the document each and every person on this forum swears an oath to uphold. Why are we still trying to honor these *LITERAL TRAITORS* in 2021?
For the purposes and contexts of this discussion, I don't care how you feel about the causes behind the Civil War, the personal stances of the men the bases were named after, their accomplishments, any of it. At the end of the day, they went to war for the sole purpose of creating their own sovereign nation that was no longer subject to the Constitution of the United States, the document each and every person on this forum swears an oath to uphold. Why are we still trying to honor these *LITERAL TRAITORS* in 2021?
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PO2 Mark Slay
It's not about the Civil War or the reasons it was fought or the men who fought it. It's about Liberal Socialists using it as a cause to further their agenda. It's simple, don't eliminate our history, embrace it, don't repeat it, and make the present BETTER. People will change nothing by pulling down statues, erasing written history in books and schools, trying to change every little thing that a very few people who BTW are in the minority, and start confrontations in Americas streets. Why not spend all that energy and money to better peoples lives by lifting them up economically all the while supporting them so THEY can help better their lives. This all starts by being KIND and CONSIDERATE of all people you come in contact with and stop judging.
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This is an insult to those who died protecting the Constitutional rights of the states that seceded. But what else would we expect from traitors in the White House and in Congress and the Senate.
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SSG (Join to see)
Yeah, but they seceeded... meaning they no longer wanted the Constitutional rights people claim they were trying to protect because they honest-to-god no longer wanted to be Americans. Or am I missing something here?
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SFC Jeff Duncan
SSG (Join to see) your missing something, the civil war was fought over states rights and the draconian practices that were being put upon the Southern states by Northern States. Look around this very day and we’re witnessing something very similar, let’s hope and pray it doesn’t bring us to a divide again!!!
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SFC (Join to see)
SSG (Join to see) - When they succeeded America was a different place. The States were the power. The federal government was a side note to the States. The federal government only became powerful when it created the income tax. That gave them the power to jail a person simply for refusing to pay federal taxes. That is raw power. They again gained power with the New Deal and Social Security. Now they had huge leverage over Americans.
The men who these forts are named after were true believers in their States and States rights. They were local and State heroes and if the cancel culture would shut up and listen for a while they might learn this. The cancel culture is a relatively few number of folks with great political clout. They do not represent the majority of Americans. Especially Americans who have served on those posts. To rename them would destroy our American heritage and history for the sake of a few politicians, their big money benefactors and some real loud mouth agitators.
The men who these forts are named after were true believers in their States and States rights. They were local and State heroes and if the cancel culture would shut up and listen for a while they might learn this. The cancel culture is a relatively few number of folks with great political clout. They do not represent the majority of Americans. Especially Americans who have served on those posts. To rename them would destroy our American heritage and history for the sake of a few politicians, their big money benefactors and some real loud mouth agitators.
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PO2 Mark Slay
I would really love to know how many of these people that want to destroy statues, change the Constitution, and rename forts, and for GOD'S sake sports teams EVER served in a branch of the service in this USA? Go to work and earn a living for your families and stop all your nonsense! GOOD GRIEF !!!
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I think renameing Army forts and other established military military institutions is wrong. Also the taking down of statues of famous militaey people such as Robert E. Lee wrong. This is history. Why should we Americans cow tow to a portion of the population who has their sensetive feelings hurt. I'm not a southerner, but believe history should be preserved. Im tired of a few trying to controul the rest to get their way. The Civil war has been over for a long time, and history should be preserved, not changed
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