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Sgt Stephen Chiles
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WOW! Reading all of the comments has me shaking my head. The simplest answer to your question is to go to JAG and ask for yourself. Asking in a forum like this is only going to give you dozens of variations of every political view, dozens more of old school military views (we didn't habe an option when I was in service which includes myself) and multiple other far fetched possibilities. You want a factual answer that only JAG can give you. Opinions will get you nowhere.
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PO2 Jean Lentin
PO2 Jean Lentin
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LOL probably the best response.
"Fact Check-Swedish study found Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine permanently alters human DNA In-Vitro" Preclinical studies of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2, developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, showed reversible hepatic effects in animals that received the BNT162b2 injection. Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells. In this study, we investigated the effect of BNT162b2 on the human liver cell line Huh7 in vitro. Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase. Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure. https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q2XwbdqJDy8W48CTbhutrNS2ZEE240DGAiLV7W8MOVE/edit?usp=sharing
https://health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Health-Readiness/Immunization-Healthcare/Clinical-Consultation-Services/Exemption-Guidance
Per SONNIE G. BATES v. MICHAEL B. DONLEY Civil No. 11-1589 (RCL) Emmet G. Sullivan ruled that the military could not administer a vaccine that had not been fully licensed without consent.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-dcd-1_11-cv-01589/pdf/USCOURTS-dcd-1_11-cv-01589-0.pdf
Per Protecting Personal Health Data Act https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/24#:~:text=This%20bill%20directs%20the%20Department,entities%20such%20as%20health%20care
“Military, Federal Employees and Civilian Contractors Sue Biden
Case 8:21-cv-02429
https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODVerifiedClassActionComplaintwithExhibits.pdf
[1] https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODVerifiedClassActionComplaintwithExhibits.pdf
[2] https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODEmergencyMotionforTROandPIwithMemo.pdf
[3] https://media.defense.gov/2021/Aug/25/ [login to see] /-1/-1/0/MEMORANDUM-FOR-MANDATORY-CORONAVIRUS-DISEASE-2019-VACCINATION-OF-DEPARTMENT-OF-DEFENSE-SERVICE-MEMBERS.PDF
[4] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/02-COVID-Oster-508.pdf
[5] https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/covid-19-vaccines-from-pfizer-moderna-likely-linked-to-rare-heart-condition-cdc-panel/
[6] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf
[7] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2781601
[8] https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization
[9] https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
https://lc.org/newsroom/details/101521-military-federal-employees-and-civilian-contractors-sue-biden
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Sgt Stephen Chiles
Sgt Stephen Chiles
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PO2 Jean Lentin - Actually, I would not be surprised about any alleged results from various studies. Even if it puts me at risk. However, what it all boils down to is the UCMJ with relation to failure to obey a lawful order of a cuperior; to include the Commander In Chief. And I admit right up front that I hate even saying this because I personally believe that the JCOS should have stood the CIC down on this. One should blame a "woke" Secretary o Defense and JCOS for following such an insane directive. But truth here is all in the words of the Oath of Enlistment or Commision..." I will obey the orders of...". Even when they commit abuse of office or power.
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PO2 Jean Lentin
PO2 Jean Lentin
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Sgt Stephen Chiles True, though: if that were the case, "War Crimes" would be an impossible concept by comparison. EG, following commands, there are exceptions, in legalese and ethics. I respect your loyalty.
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SGT Mike Ange
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PO2 Jean Lentin
PO2 Jean Lentin
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"Fact Check-Swedish study found Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine permanently alters human DNA In-Vitro" Preclinical studies of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2, developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, showed reversible hepatic effects in animals that received the BNT162b2 injection. Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells. In this study, we investigated the effect of BNT162b2 on the human liver cell line Huh7 in vitro. Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase. Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure. https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q2XwbdqJDy8W48CTbhutrNS2ZEE240DGAiLV7W8MOVE/edit?usp=sharing
https://health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Health-Readiness/Immunization-Healthcare/Clinical-Consultation-Services/Exemption-Guidance
Per SONNIE G. BATES v. MICHAEL B. DONLEY Civil No. 11-1589 (RCL) Emmet G. Sullivan ruled that the military could not administer a vaccine that had not been fully licensed without consent.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-dcd-1_11-cv-01589/pdf/USCOURTS-dcd-1_11-cv-01589-0.pdf
Per Protecting Personal Health Data Act https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/24#:~:text=This%20bill%20directs%20the%20Department,entities%20such%20as%20health%20care
“Military, Federal Employees and Civilian Contractors Sue Biden
Case 8:21-cv-02429
https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODVerifiedClassActionComplaintwithExhibits.pdf
[1] https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODVerifiedClassActionComplaintwithExhibits.pdf
[2] https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODEmergencyMotionforTROandPIwithMemo.pdf
[3] https://media.defense.gov/2021/Aug/25/ [login to see] /-1/-1/0/MEMORANDUM-FOR-MANDATORY-CORONAVIRUS-DISEASE-2019-VACCINATION-OF-DEPARTMENT-OF-DEFENSE-SERVICE-MEMBERS.PDF
[4] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/02-COVID-Oster-508.pdf
[5] https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/covid-19-vaccines-from-pfizer-moderna-likely-linked-to-rare-heart-condition-cdc-panel/
[6] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf
[7] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2781601
[8] https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization
[9] https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
https://lc.org/newsroom/details/101521-military-federal-employees-and-civilian-contractors-sue-biden
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SPC Stephen Kraft
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I’m not a condescending prick like some of these other ducks. If you get any less than a General Under Honorable Conditions, contact a VSO and apply immediately to have it upgraded. You won’t get a full Honorable, which you won’t deserve, but you should and will get the under honorable, which is fine by any employer, including the federal government, and will entitle you to the VA benefits you’ve earned.
Good luck.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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Damned It Lucas, Those COVID Injections Just Might Save Your Azz & Those Of Your Family & Friends.... Beside, It's People Such As Yourself, Whom Are Sucking Up Hospital Space While Others In Need Are Dying For Lack Of Beds For REAL Problems NOT Associated To STUPIDITY.. ... I Just Hope You're Not DYING To Find Out How It'll Affect You & Those Around You.....
I Have Many Other Descriptive Words For People Who've Done That, But I Might Get Arrested For Using Them....
PENDEO Del CARAJO....Como Es Que Un Pendejo Como Tu Estas Viviendo?..MIERDA.....Nolo Creo Que Estas En Nuestros Militario .........And I Mean EVER Fuken Word..

By The Way, Lucas, How Much Life Insurance Does The Military Give To Your Beneficiary When They BURY Your Butt Under A Pile Of Dirt?
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
SPC Lyle Montgomery
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A1c DeVaney Not everyone agrees with your rant. I Certainly don't but you have the right to express your opinion even if it is wrong
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PO1 David Bertram
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Are you kidding me. Did you ask what shots they have you in Boot Camp? I’m more worried about that Gg shot they have us when we deployed to Saudi Arabia than this one.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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DAVE....I Recall Walking Down A Long Line, Between Two Lines Of Medics, Getting Shots From Both Sides Right After Being Sworn In....They Never ASKED If We Wanted Them.. We GOT Them, PERIOD...... And This Fool Is Worried About COVID Injections.?.......Give Me A FUKEN Break.....
Cono, Nolo Creo !!
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Sgt Ed Allen
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I would love to see you guys leave the freaking politics out of answering this individual's question. He's not asking if you agree with him. He is asking what kind of discharge.

The discharge will be a general discharge. It is administrative in nature. It is NOT a Big Chicken Dinner or Dishonorable.

The answer is variable. The Army has not specified if you would get coded as eligible to re-enlist at a later date or not.
The Marines, initially, were flagging those being discharged as NOT eligible for re-enlistment in other branches but is now changing that to say eligible provided you get all your vaccinations.

This does not mean you lose your benefits. It only impacts your eligibility to return to the service at a later date.

For more information, you might read Military Times. They had a good article about this just this week.
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Cpl Richard Leonard
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Its your choice SPC Lucas you are a solider. However think it through and weigh out pros and cons and long term effects of your decisions. I have been out of the Marines since 1976, I have enjoyed many benefits of being a honorably discharged veteran. No one can tell you want to do, But I would weigh the process carefully and read, listen to doctors, speak to family. Pay no attention to the politics. Because once you are out. You are Out. Take care of you and your future.
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Cpl Richard Leonard
Cpl Richard Leonard
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PS my job required me to get the shots. I did it for my family.
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PO1 Todd B.
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Just like every other Veteran, I have no issue taking VETTED and fully released and tested vaccines. The covid vaccines are NOT and in fact are still used under the emergency use authorization... and ANYONE CAN LITERALLY LOOK IT UP.

There are now many laws that make it ILLEGAL for the government to FORCE any kind of experimental drug or medical procedure on active or reserve military personnel. In fact one the most recent is in 2006 or 2007 timeframe. And these vaccines ARE experimental even though the left tries to say they are not and have authorization. They have EMERGENCY authorization for use, ONLY.

First off, if that were not the case, then how come they keep having to do "authorizations for use" based on age groups and more? If these were fully cleared, they would have NO NEED for that.

Second, do NOT READ THE PRESS RELEASE. Actually, go find the public record release and in that you will learn the following:

'The current vaccine is STILL ONLY released under emergency authorization. Comirnaty, the COMMERCIAL release name of the current covid vaccine is authorized for use WHEN, WHEN the commercial vaccine goes into production, NO SOONER THAN 2023. And in fact, therefore the CURRENT EMERGENCY USE authorization is extended until such time as the commercial release enters ACTUAL PRODUCTION and distribution.'

THIS is why you see and hear nearly every day where they talk about getting authorization for this group or that group or some other group. Because it is STILL CLASSED AS EXPERIMENTAL/UNTESTED.

There is a reason no officer has gone to ANY military member and literally said: "I ORDER YOU TO SIT THERE AND TAKE THE SHOT." Not one officer and literally issued a direct order to FORCE a member to take the vaccine. The reason is because they CAN'T. It is literally ILLEGAL and a court martial offense for them to "tell" or "order" someone to partake in anything that is experimental use.

Which is why they are using COERCION and threats to get members to take the vaccine. These laws came about due to all the experiments taking place on military members in the 40, 50 and 60's mainly but also right after the gulf war! Of which there are now hundreds of thousands of Veterans under care through the V/A system due to side effects of the untested Anthrax vaccine that was given to military back then, before that was stopped and the vaccine reworked and put through testing and trials to fix it.

And now with the Supreme Court getting involved, everything is coming apart. If I were you, I would get an attorney NOW and get an injunction prohibiting any action to be taken against you while the legal battle is decided.

If they discharge you, sue them, which a whole lot of members are now doing including two members of my family.. One has already had the case dropped in his favor. The other is still pending.
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SGT Lance LeBerte
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at best I would expect less than honorable, we don't get all the benefits citizens get
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SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson
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You could have ended up in Ft. Riley KS at the United States Army Correctional Activities unit. 1 of 2 options you face; Dishonorable for failure to comply with a direct order, or Chpt 10 General under honorable conditions. This isn't rocket science, fact it isn't really science at all it's all a smoke screen to turn the USA in a different direction. Even if you are discharged and begin the painful search for a job in the "world" you will most likely be faced with the same demand for compliance you have already faced in the Military. Either way Good Luck!!!
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SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson
SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson
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Insubordination is insubordanition either in the military or in civilian life. Get labled with that and you have a better chance of seing a snake play the bongo's then staying in the same career field. With things like linked in and other social media sites word spreads like wild fire. Although No employer may say anything negitive about you when a reference is requested it is not as regulated over the internet. Everyone has/had a choice and little by little they are being taken away from us. For those who intend to stand their ground I salute you, and say good for you! To those who comply I say GET READY to FIGHT!!! You don't throw the first punch because the bully pushes you once, you wait to see if he/she re-thinks their position before making your move. This is only the beginning of a process that was set in play probably long before either of us were born. One word comes to mind "PLANDEMIC."
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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Well I can tell you this, it's pretty plain to see which side of the discussion is speaking in mandates and absolutes (bullying) and which side speaks to personal freedom and having a choice....
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SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson
SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson
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SPC Jeremy A - We ALL will always have a choice, they got their first and second shot (literaly) from me, but there won't be any others. When even the "fake news" reports that fully vaccinated people with boosters are still getting this shit, then getting any ANY other shots for anything besieds tetnes is a waste of my time. Welcome to "The New World Order and Dumbing down America... I can sleep at night knowing that Ididn't vote for any of these "ASS-HATS. ;-) I would rather have had Kanye West. ;-))
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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That's called 'Breakthrough'. From the Almighty Centers for Disease Control:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html
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