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I have no negative marks on my record and have been in the army for over two years.
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By all accounts, they've just been "General Discharges".
Just putting this out there...you could just go ahead and get the vaccine, then tell all your friends you didn't.
Unless they have access to your medical records, they won't know.
Just tell them you got an exemption.
You'll still be cool.
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SP5 James Elmore
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Getting drafted in the old days makes refusal an easy way out. But no draft. People who enlist—well you’d think they would put duty above self and risk their lives for the country and their fellow troops. Looks like some people in the military can’t be relied upon to serve their country. Adios and take that general discharge under so-called honorable conditions. I only want those those who would have my back when it got tough. Old vet.
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Sgt Randall Dunkley
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A General Discharge is appropriate to "Failure to obey a direct order". Insubordination to the President of the United States. Since it is not relegated to a criminal offense a "Dishonorable Discharge" is not applicable here. A mandated "For the good of the service" can apply to commissioned and Warrant Officers who willfully become insubordinate. IMHO.
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I retired in 2015, so don’t have to worry. However, I have three kids in, all had taken the jab due to the (IMHO) undue command influence. I read all these military folks spouting off about all the other vax we took without saying a thing. The virus/bacteria/whatever we are vaxed against are very deadly disease. MMR, small pox, typhoid, etc. COVID has an infinitesimal mortality rate in comparison to the other disease. The absolutism of this vax for military is where my concern lies. The vax does not prevent contraction or transmission of the virus, therefore the requirement becomes moot. I have compromised lungs due to the burn pits in Afghan, contracted COVID in December, and writing this today. It didn’t kill me. However, my double vax’ed boss and his wife were both on ventilators at the same time I was laid up in bed with it. So until someone can give a good reason for the Stalin-like tactics in forcing this vaccine, I support EVERY service member who refuses in any grounds.
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Vax and vax’ed above. Damn autocorrect.
PO2 Jean Lentin
PO2 Jean Lentin
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"Fact Check-Swedish study found Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine permanently alters human DNA In-Vitro" Preclinical studies of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2, developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, showed reversible hepatic effects in animals that received the BNT162b2 injection. Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells. In this study, we investigated the effect of BNT162b2 on the human liver cell line Huh7 in vitro. Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase. Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure. https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q2XwbdqJDy8W48CTbhutrNS2ZEE240DGAiLV7W8MOVE/edit?usp=sharing
https://health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Health-Readiness/Immunization-Healthcare/Clinical-Consultation-Services/Exemption-Guidance
Per SONNIE G. BATES v. MICHAEL B. DONLEY Civil No. 11-1589 (RCL) Emmet G. Sullivan ruled that the military could not administer a vaccine that had not been fully licensed without consent.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-dcd-1_11-cv-01589/pdf/USCOURTS-dcd-1_11-cv-01589-0.pdf
Per Protecting Personal Health Data Act https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/24#:~:text=This%20bill%20directs%20the%20Department,entities%20such%20as%20health%20care
“Military, Federal Employees and Civilian Contractors Sue Biden
Case 8:21-cv-02429
https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODVerifiedClassActionComplaintwithExhibits.pdf
[1] https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODVerifiedClassActionComplaintwithExhibits.pdf
[2] https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODEmergencyMotionforTROandPIwithMemo.pdf
[3] https://media.defense.gov/2021/Aug/25/ [login to see] /-1/-1/0/MEMORANDUM-FOR-MANDATORY-CORONAVIRUS-DISEASE-2019-VACCINATION-OF-DEPARTMENT-OF-DEFENSE-SERVICE-MEMBERS.PDF
[4] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/02-COVID-Oster-508.pdf
[5] https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/covid-19-vaccines-from-pfizer-moderna-likely-linked-to-rare-heart-condition-cdc-panel/
[6] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf
[7] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2781601
[8] https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization
[9] https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
https://lc.org/newsroom/details/101521-military-federal-employees-and-civilian-contractors-sue-biden
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MSgt Jim Jackson
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This whole question is laughable. I spent 26 years as a U.S. Marine. When I was in you had no choice as to what they are putting in your body. You just got in line and it happened. Far too much whimpering going on in today's military.
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PO2 Jean Lentin
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Thx for your service, but; many of these companies are beholden to foreign enemies.
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SP5 John Burleson
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You should expect some Woke officer to drop kick you over the fence and out of the army which will tank any or al of the veteran bennies yoy were promised during the first set of lies. As a veteran taking advantage of the VA health program, I was faced with the choice of shot or no shot. I knew the shot was bullshit after seeing Fauchi's face sticker plastered on a urinal. But even though I knew the shot was bullshit, I got it anyway just to stop being called a chicken. And yessiree, I did not get the Beer Bug that I wasn't going to get anyway. I am immune to the flu. And the beerbug (COVID-19) is the flu in a different costume.
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SFC Jose Fabre
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Dishonorable! Quit your bitching and whining and just take the dam thing! This crap about "I don't know what's inside of the vaccine" is BS! Tell me,... do you know what's inside the other 12 or so vaccines they gave you as well?? Hell no!
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PO2 Jean Lentin
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Nope.
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A1C Isa Kocher
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of all the great godly good blessed gifts of science to humanity, none come close to vaccination, the extermination of smallpox, polio, whooping cough, the list is too great. nothing proves the near psychotic insanity of the hate science cult created by 50 years of big oil, big tobacco, the gun industry, big banks and big wall street's 50 year investment in the science denial hate cults gripping the usa today, people choosing death and worse permanent disability and lives of desperation to deny basic fact, proven undeniable science, an d plain old good sense ...

how did we get there: hundreds of billions of dollars over the lasty 50 years systematically invested in science hate. it's all in the public record and anybody with access to google can learn the history of astroturf science hate cultism.

how such insane psychotic suicidal thinking like the Jonestown massacre [e.g. https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/jonestown-13-things-you-should-know-about-cult-massacre-121974/ ] gets established is well known by anthropologists studying cultism [there are 'good' cults too, like the ecology movement, mother teresa of calcutta, lincoln and abolition, the establishment of PTSD in science while overthrowing freudian Oedipus Complex theory], in studies of cargo cults, french revolution, first century christianity, American 19th century communes, etc. the best most comprehensive scientific analyses analyses of cults and social movements have been done by Gerlach and Hine, and more recently Graeber. [google those scientists for references, also anthony fc wallace].

anybody in this science hate anti-vaccine movement does deserve all the psychological therapy they can get. but the anti-vaccine movement is literally no different than the Jonestown mass suicide, or end of the world millenialisms. but the real criminals here are the gun lobby, oil lobby, tobacco lobby, acid rain coal lobby, etc. wh have systematically funded promoted supported invested their billions over the last half century into all and every anti-science insanity there is to hold on to their life destroying profit.

covid vaccine denial is simply no different than the Jonestown mass suicide
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PO2 Eric Lozaga
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Just an FYI.. you are way more likely to die in battle or in a military accident or suffer life long disability/injury than you are from a covid vaccine or to have any vaccine side effects that last more than 1-2 days... If your personal beliefs are so strong that you would rather get kicked out and possibly lose all future benefits, then go for it.. any punishment or loss of benefits you have will be totally worth it
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PO2 Chris Christiansen
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you shouldn't expect nor should they give you a discharge for an order that is vague and not of military matters. this entire charade is just to weaken our military and cause dissent among the ranks. our military leaders from the admirals up to SOD and SECNAV should be replaced since they are exempt from the law they are forcing on you.
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