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Navy's top enlisted leader is wrapping up job title review. Intent is to remove "man" from job titles, such as corpsman, to make them gender neutral. All Air Force members are referred to as "airmen" and three enlisted ranks include "man" in their title. What would you suggest as an alternative to "airman"? (You can have fun with this, but serious alternatives also are appreciated.)
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Nooooo the Navy went from Seaman or Shipmate to Sea Warrior and things have never been the same.
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Somebody please put the knife through the jugular on this post. It is a waste of oxygen. Time to stop the breathing and start the bleeding
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MSgt John McGowan
LCPL. I agree with you 100%. That would be just PC if they changed it. And look at what the Navy did, they went back to the old way.
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LCpl Jim Pleace
Maybe the PC experiment/war on our military will stop now. It is essential to the mission
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MSgt (Join to see)
True. Enough. This is the doggone military. This is not a freaking Petri dish where pinheads who most likely NEVER served are trying to make rules for an entire group of people they know NOTHING ABOUT! We're supposed to be war-fighters. Leave us out of your social experimentation and let us do our damn jobs.
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since the current Administration is about to become history, maybe we can forget about this nonsense, 99.99% of our military were not complaining (and who cares about folks outside the military), let's get on to more serious topics
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I would like to focus on more important things such as the overwhelming debt, the fact the world is on fire, and that our own countrymen are losing their patriotism. If these things are not fixed, we will not have to worry about being politically correct, just learning a new language under a new regime.
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I am going to take a different vector on this topic... If anyone is still Active duty, and has some pull at their Command level, Pentagon, JCS, etc., This is what really NEEDS to be said:
At what time in modern military history, has gender neutrality TRULY mattered when it comes to Mission effectiveness, unit cohesion, leadership and discipline in the ranks, or esprit de corps?
This politically-correct nonsense is tinkering with the very heart and soul of the Armed Forces. The last time I swore my oath to "support and DEFEND the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC," I drew a line in the sand.
With graying hair and some wisdom learned in my advancing years, I realize that asymmetric warfare comes in subtle nuances, cyber assaults, etc.
These subtle and not-so subtle skirmishes that seek to unravel the fabric of our nation's warriors through dissension, factionalizing, marginalizing, polarizing, adverse rationalizing and the narcissistic attitude behind all this nonsense is just as treacherous in my book, as the Tokyo Rose broadcasts of Japanese propaganda were aimed at undermining/subverting the morale of our troops in WWII.
Psyops is nothing new, but it is most insidious when it is a tactic applied within the ranks or from above them. As a Oath-keeping veteran, my responsibilities did not cease when my enlistment ended. I am responsible for what I know, and to do something about it!
When I enlisted 37.7 years ago, neither the JCS, NCA nor the Secretary of the Air Air Force came to my barracks to ask me how they should run MY Air Force. Why? Because it is ***NOT*** "MY Air Force!" I became part of a Mission-oriented TEAM in which my part was intended to seamlessly connect and integrate into the tapestry of that team.
One of the 3 pillars of the US Air Force is: "Service before self." That deals a death-blow to this narcissistic, self-importance-at-the-expense-of-all-else-because-I'm-entitled rationale. Whatever and whoever is behind propagating all of this nonsense is an ideological enemy of our military institutions.
Of course, to counter such a threat, we must take scaled and appropriate measures to stop this insidious attack against the very fabric of our Armed Forces' ability to stand united. Our voice, a pen or a keyboard can be sufficient enough to accomplish victory in such a battle.
So, from the least of the enlisted ranks, to the highest ranking officers, I am sounding a call to stand up and call this nonsense into account, and to neutralize this threat into non-existence. The core of our calling is to be uncompromisingly focused where we all started: With the Oath and our Constitution. This is where the buck stops for us as well.
You are free to re-post, share, and publicize what I have said on one condition: WHEN, not IF these protagonists come to attack me, I expect you who are also Oath-keepers to stand with me to watch/keep my back.
The subtlety of this matter may seem innocuous for now and even humorous, but given time, you will see the truth of their intentions. Let's be a proactive deterrent of this issue NOW, rather than find ourselves on the defensive down the road. The current battle for gender-neutral bathrooms should be enough of a forewarning!
Let's rumble and roll!
MD "Doc" Severson :-)
At what time in modern military history, has gender neutrality TRULY mattered when it comes to Mission effectiveness, unit cohesion, leadership and discipline in the ranks, or esprit de corps?
This politically-correct nonsense is tinkering with the very heart and soul of the Armed Forces. The last time I swore my oath to "support and DEFEND the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC," I drew a line in the sand.
With graying hair and some wisdom learned in my advancing years, I realize that asymmetric warfare comes in subtle nuances, cyber assaults, etc.
These subtle and not-so subtle skirmishes that seek to unravel the fabric of our nation's warriors through dissension, factionalizing, marginalizing, polarizing, adverse rationalizing and the narcissistic attitude behind all this nonsense is just as treacherous in my book, as the Tokyo Rose broadcasts of Japanese propaganda were aimed at undermining/subverting the morale of our troops in WWII.
Psyops is nothing new, but it is most insidious when it is a tactic applied within the ranks or from above them. As a Oath-keeping veteran, my responsibilities did not cease when my enlistment ended. I am responsible for what I know, and to do something about it!
When I enlisted 37.7 years ago, neither the JCS, NCA nor the Secretary of the Air Air Force came to my barracks to ask me how they should run MY Air Force. Why? Because it is ***NOT*** "MY Air Force!" I became part of a Mission-oriented TEAM in which my part was intended to seamlessly connect and integrate into the tapestry of that team.
One of the 3 pillars of the US Air Force is: "Service before self." That deals a death-blow to this narcissistic, self-importance-at-the-expense-of-all-else-because-I'm-entitled rationale. Whatever and whoever is behind propagating all of this nonsense is an ideological enemy of our military institutions.
Of course, to counter such a threat, we must take scaled and appropriate measures to stop this insidious attack against the very fabric of our Armed Forces' ability to stand united. Our voice, a pen or a keyboard can be sufficient enough to accomplish victory in such a battle.
So, from the least of the enlisted ranks, to the highest ranking officers, I am sounding a call to stand up and call this nonsense into account, and to neutralize this threat into non-existence. The core of our calling is to be uncompromisingly focused where we all started: With the Oath and our Constitution. This is where the buck stops for us as well.
You are free to re-post, share, and publicize what I have said on one condition: WHEN, not IF these protagonists come to attack me, I expect you who are also Oath-keepers to stand with me to watch/keep my back.
The subtlety of this matter may seem innocuous for now and even humorous, but given time, you will see the truth of their intentions. Let's be a proactive deterrent of this issue NOW, rather than find ourselves on the defensive down the road. The current battle for gender-neutral bathrooms should be enough of a forewarning!
Let's rumble and roll!
MD "Doc" Severson :-)
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SSG (Join to see)
Your country is as strong as its leaders, what does that say for ours? Don't worry about if we the American veterans have your back because you know we do. As long as there are no guns pointed in our direction. We stand by our oath and you have the a Trogin mole as a leader turning our country inside out. We need a A HERO to stop the lawless actions of your leaders. Maybe if the siantist are corecrect I am not in thsi world but a fake one That would be Great but this one is going down in the trash real fast. who ever heard of such petty whimpy BS ? im a gender nutral WTF is that Im with isis on that one. BANG with a pink gun hahahaha
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A1C Michael Richards
MSgt Jim Bain - Sorry--was not casting any blame towards military people--come from a long line of military servers--I was a medic, my dad was a B24 pilot, wife a surgery nurse, grandfather WWI, and GG grandfather Civil War--
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From the Dictionary. Man- noun; A human being of either sex, a person. Verb; work at, run, or operate (a place, or piece of equipment) or defend (a fortification).
An aircraft is manned, meaning it has a human operating it. A person who operates an aircraft is called an Airman. The term is already gender neutral.
An aircraft is manned, meaning it has a human operating it. A person who operates an aircraft is called an Airman. The term is already gender neutral.
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PV2 Glen Lewis
I was just thinking about how to word my comment on this question but you've done it nicely for me. I remember at some point way back when being taught that very thing but of course now we have PC requirements that seem to me to be beyond the capability the human brain has access to.
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I wish some of these radical feminists could understand that "man" in airman, fire man, police man, corpsman, etc etc, is more intended a designation of being human, than gender specific, and if they are so hyper sensitive of their feelings to feel slighted and their delicate self esteems just be crushed from such woeful abuse, perhaps they are too delicate with withstand the rigors of military service (or common adulthood even).
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TSgt James Carson
You best give up both words as they mean brave flyers. NOT. Why not faries and rename the U.S Air Force the u. s Fairy Farce. Get Real. You want sharpe motivated people to join up.
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