Posted on Jun 29, 2014
What would you do if you hear young Soldiers in a car ranting racial slurs while you are at a traffic light?
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Unbelievable I am a stop sign at FT. Knox, and I hear loud racial slurs coming from the pick up next to be at the light on base.
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This may sound extreme, but if you are stopped at a light... put your parking break on and get out of the car and walk over to them. Tell them who you are (a Captain, a Chaplain, etc.) and tell them to pull over to the side of the road. Once pulled over, show them your ID card so they know who you are, and ask for all their ID cards. Take a picture of each (with your phone) or write down their information. Then report it to their chain of command and let them deal with it.
I think that this is particularly appropriate since it was on base, as you described. If somebody doesn't stand up when hearing this, how are those Soldiers ever going to be corrected?
I think that this is particularly appropriate since it was on base, as you described. If somebody doesn't stand up when hearing this, how are those Soldiers ever going to be corrected?
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What would you do if you work with those people day & night ?!!
Foul language all the time ?!!
What if you ask them nicely and most of them don't even care
And finally one of them tells you ( this is America, I am a grown a** man and can say whatever the f***I want, you can ask people back in your country to quit cussing, if you don't like here, go back to where you came from ) what if some of the supervisors who are supposed to help you would do their best to put you down , what if discrimination is so obvious ?!! Too many wrong things however I am sorry you had to experience a racial slur only one time at a stop sign
You should have done what the the MAJ suggested
Some people don't understand respect ma'am because they lack it's concept but they do understand fear/ punishment
Foul language all the time ?!!
What if you ask them nicely and most of them don't even care
And finally one of them tells you ( this is America, I am a grown a** man and can say whatever the f***I want, you can ask people back in your country to quit cussing, if you don't like here, go back to where you came from ) what if some of the supervisors who are supposed to help you would do their best to put you down , what if discrimination is so obvious ?!! Too many wrong things however I am sorry you had to experience a racial slur only one time at a stop sign
You should have done what the the MAJ suggested
Some people don't understand respect ma'am because they lack it's concept but they do understand fear/ punishment
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LTC Yinon Weiss
SPC (Join to see) If that was to happen to me, I would not tolerate. What can you do, you may ask? Does your Lieutenant allow for this? Does your Company Commander? Does your Battalion Commander? Have you brought this to their attention? Do they know about it? I cannot believe that there are independent officers in an Army chain of command who would tolerate it.
I am most concerned about racist overtones and other discrimination. Those are NOT acceptable in our Army.
I am most concerned about racist overtones and other discrimination. Those are NOT acceptable in our Army.
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They know
I complained but my chain of command said ( false accusations )
The 1st sgt & company commander said that
As if no body cusses in the entire unit
It is a very long story sir
But I have reached a point of ( i just would like to go away )
I am leaving in 4 months
I just share ideas here about my experience
But I would not complain to anyone anymore because it is all in vain
I just would like to finish my medical board and leave
But that issue really needs a revolutionary action
They know foul language is prohibited
They know art 134 paragraph 60
But the majority doesn't care
I have a new dfac manager nowadays who really cares
Thank god
I just want her to stay here til I leave
But I am not going again to an EO who would give my statement to a higher nco who considers the e7
I complained about, a brother
I complained but my chain of command said ( false accusations )
The 1st sgt & company commander said that
As if no body cusses in the entire unit
It is a very long story sir
But I have reached a point of ( i just would like to go away )
I am leaving in 4 months
I just share ideas here about my experience
But I would not complain to anyone anymore because it is all in vain
I just would like to finish my medical board and leave
But that issue really needs a revolutionary action
They know foul language is prohibited
They know art 134 paragraph 60
But the majority doesn't care
I have a new dfac manager nowadays who really cares
Thank god
I just want her to stay here til I leave
But I am not going again to an EO who would give my statement to a higher nco who considers the e7
I complained about, a brother
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LTC Yinon Weiss
SPC (Join to see) -- You say that your 1st Sgt and Company Commander know about the cussing... well, they probably have many things to worry about in addition to cussing, potentially more serious. Cussing is not an EO issue. It's not professional, but is not nearly as egregious as racial slurring.
Our world continuously changes, but it's people who change it. Nothing changes if people don't do anything about it. If you accept things for the way they are, and just sneak out of the Army and don't do everything you could have about it (seen the IG, etc.), then in a way, you are setting the next guy up for the same problems.
You say "the majority doesn't care" -- but it sounds like you no longer care to do anything about it either. Just consider where that positions you.
If there is racial discrimination in your unit, then senior leaders WILL care and support you (just make sure you can substantiate it). If you haven't found somebody who will listen, you just haven't talked to the right person yet.
Our world continuously changes, but it's people who change it. Nothing changes if people don't do anything about it. If you accept things for the way they are, and just sneak out of the Army and don't do everything you could have about it (seen the IG, etc.), then in a way, you are setting the next guy up for the same problems.
You say "the majority doesn't care" -- but it sounds like you no longer care to do anything about it either. Just consider where that positions you.
If there is racial discrimination in your unit, then senior leaders WILL care and support you (just make sure you can substantiate it). If you haven't found somebody who will listen, you just haven't talked to the right person yet.
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My first thought was to write down the tag number, follow them, and then what? I could talk to the CSM if I found out what unit they were in. I am blown away with blatant disrespect. What are your thoughts?
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I would follow them to where they went and get their unit and contact information. I would also speak to the Soldiers about their Army values.
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It brings to mind a line from the cornball movie Top Gun. "I want some butt, I want it now, I want some butt".
When I was doing penance at Goodfellow AFB a few years back learning to be "Intelligent" (kidding), I "indicted" the chow hall, letting everyone know that I would be there daily for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In the midst of my tour there, a table full of significantly younger people were uttering some racially disparaging comments. I (in uniform-so were they) turned around, saw who it was and approached them. In my outside voice, I told them that comments such as those were not to uttered in my chow hall and put them out. I explained that if I were to hear them again, we would stop being friends. They told me that they were just joking, and I explained that I was not and to get out, now. "we are not done eating", this chow hall is closed for you, until you learn how to act. If you have a problem with being put out, have your commander come find me, my name is TSgt Nolan, I am the only TSgt in the Intel School, easy to find.
Funny, but commander never did come asking for me.
CPT Davis,
Anyone who has a problem with anyone simply because of the color of their skin is not worth having a conversation with. Certainly not worth having in my military. Clearly is an idiot.
If you are offended by that last comment, then you are an idiot, and I will not apologize for that.
Racism is a learned behavior. It has no place in the profession of arms. End of rant.
When I was doing penance at Goodfellow AFB a few years back learning to be "Intelligent" (kidding), I "indicted" the chow hall, letting everyone know that I would be there daily for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In the midst of my tour there, a table full of significantly younger people were uttering some racially disparaging comments. I (in uniform-so were they) turned around, saw who it was and approached them. In my outside voice, I told them that comments such as those were not to uttered in my chow hall and put them out. I explained that if I were to hear them again, we would stop being friends. They told me that they were just joking, and I explained that I was not and to get out, now. "we are not done eating", this chow hall is closed for you, until you learn how to act. If you have a problem with being put out, have your commander come find me, my name is TSgt Nolan, I am the only TSgt in the Intel School, easy to find.
Funny, but commander never did come asking for me.
CPT Davis,
Anyone who has a problem with anyone simply because of the color of their skin is not worth having a conversation with. Certainly not worth having in my military. Clearly is an idiot.
If you are offended by that last comment, then you are an idiot, and I will not apologize for that.
Racism is a learned behavior. It has no place in the profession of arms. End of rant.
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1stSgt Nolan,
Well stated. More service members, especially the leadership, needs to stand up and approach this type of 'learned behavior', whether on or off duty. As a MP conducting numerous foot patrols, I also observed this type of unapproved behavior come from all branches and ranks of our professional military. Most of the time, their replies were "I'm off-duty". I usually inform them, in my authoritative voice (you called it your outside voice), that you may be 'off-duty', but you are still a U.S. service member and ALWAYS subject to the UCMJ! It's a shame that I have to inform them of possible punitive actions against them instead of the individuals behaving in a mature and appropriate type of conduct. Unfortunately, you, I and others, could write books on what we heard and observed through our tour of duty hear and there. When I first started in the military, I always learned that it was always an "One Team, One Fight" mentality. Where is it that race became an option in the "One Team" concept?
Well stated. More service members, especially the leadership, needs to stand up and approach this type of 'learned behavior', whether on or off duty. As a MP conducting numerous foot patrols, I also observed this type of unapproved behavior come from all branches and ranks of our professional military. Most of the time, their replies were "I'm off-duty". I usually inform them, in my authoritative voice (you called it your outside voice), that you may be 'off-duty', but you are still a U.S. service member and ALWAYS subject to the UCMJ! It's a shame that I have to inform them of possible punitive actions against them instead of the individuals behaving in a mature and appropriate type of conduct. Unfortunately, you, I and others, could write books on what we heard and observed through our tour of duty hear and there. When I first started in the military, I always learned that it was always an "One Team, One Fight" mentality. Where is it that race became an option in the "One Team" concept?
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SGT James Hastings
There is a saying that I learned: "you have to be carefully taught, before you're 6 or 7 or 8 to hate the people your parents hate. You have to be carefully taught." I know what goes on in and out of the service. I quit a very good job because of the racial slurs made in the lunchroom. Standing up for your principles is worth the battle no matter what the outcome.
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