What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?

Hey, why not. He probably didn't mean it.

CSM ? CSM (Join to see) Again, I am totally confused. Do CSMs no longer have the commander's confidence and access to the commander? Why ask RP? Have a word with your commander.

From the IG Desk: Report this through your chain of command (CoC). If your CoC IS the problem, then contact your local Inspector General and let them address the issue. You may make an appointment, phone call or email. If uncomfortable with those options, you may act anonymously and the IG will still look into the issue. And lastly, from an old soldier (30 years) - keep in mind that the standard you walk past is the standard you accept - gender nonspecific (Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander). Physical fitness standards apply to ALL service members equally.

I failed to mention in my initial response above that a "COMMANDER" has the final say on any and all questions of physical fitness issues. He/She may decide to overturn recommendations for dismissal if other factors outweigh such choices. Consider just one example. I was tasked to travel to another unit as a 'disinterested third party' to score an SM who did not meet height/weight standards and was facing separation action. This SM was HUGE! He had actually been accepted by one of the professional football leagues as a linebacker. It was painfully obvious he far exceeded any military guideline for height/weight...but...he 'bent the scale' and the height bar wasn't long enough! Nonetheless, I completed the required measurements, weight, etc, and noted the forms accordingly. My recommendation to that local Commander was to overturn any and all separation actions (he had an excellent work record and was highly regarded by peers and subordinates alike). Not all examples are so clean cut, but my actions do show what is possible whenever an exception is seen. Review ALL factors in-depth and ensure you take appropriate action based on the situation at hand.

The topic you raise is about integrity. Not only the Major's integrity but yours. If we refer back to our Army Values, an item seen more on a handout than within our ranks, as a CSM you have Leadership, Duty, Integrity and Personal Courage components in play. Too often, it is easier to look the other way, instead of doing what is right. Too often, our system punishes the messenger. Too often we find people in our ranks we wouldn't trust with our safety. Yet, because people refused to do what is right, we end up with leaders who tend to self-serving, glory motivated, unskilled and detrimental to the good order and discipline of our military and possibly our country. Sometimes, these people can even become CSA. So, the choice is: You do what you know is right and inform your leadership that someone should independently verify the Major's packet for completeness and correctness or you just pass the buck and hope the next unit fixes the problem? Too often, no one fixes or documents the problem and these folks get promoted, because no one did what was right.

As HHC Commander, I caught the CG cheating on the PT test. (too strong a verb)- how about he took a rather huge shortcut on his 2 mile run. A year later, he got revenge, when me and my entire staff were relieved ..gee, we never really knew why :)

i worked in div. staff and no one did pt tests, tape or qualify without some nudge, nudge...help from each other. Its the benefit of being staff at division.
We do PT n our "own" since we are working late nights and long hours doing op oders, pay, and things you guys at lower line units wont understand or have any idea of how hard we work. not complaining but understand how system works. lower line unit guys have some false bravado of being "hard." and "Hu-ah" in reality we in staff work longer hours, harder and more stress than most guys in line units.

As a 42 A They do this ALLL the time. Even the COLs and CSMs

It would be nice to see everyone held to the same standard for once. I am not the fittest Soldier alive. I average 260-285 on the APFT and body fat floats between 16-19%, but we have all seen people (Officers and Senior NCO's) that visibly can't pass tape. When I was a PFC I constantly saw SFC and above never do PT or get fat as hell. It wasn't until I served in 1-2 inf. that I saw what right looked like as everyone was held to a standard. You had to score 250 or above on an APFT the morning of the board or you couldn't show your face. The Army is so busy giving good leaders the boot from minor mistakes in the past yet a SM who is 30% body fat is allowed to continue their service because they never made a mistake or most likely never got caught.

Having served in a unit as the weight control NCO before the name was changed to the Army body composition program, if I knew about it I would report it to the hhc commander. For 1 I would be the person maintaining the records and I would know whether something had been falsified or not. The PT program is a Commander's program so the hhc commander would have to take care of that particular problem. I was in a reserve unit here in San Antonio we actually had a major walk off the PT field after she failed the push up event. she went back to the Army Reserve Center took a shower got she went back to the Army Reserve Center took a shower got in uniform and went to her office. I don't think she got in trouble after that one however I found out that just last year she was forced to retire because she falsified information on the exact same situation as posed in the original question. As a result of this she also lost her GS civilian job. Couldn't happen to a better person as far as I'm concerned.

As a BLC instructor, I see this quite often where units spell their responsibility in following through with proper army standard and holding their soldiers to it. We recently had a soldier come through this last class that fit something similar to this. The soldier failed initial ht/wt, and the initial apft, and knew he was going to. His unit had sent him to school with a fraudulent 5500, knowing that we were putting the proverbial nail in the coffin for him. It sucks that people don't follow through and shirk their responsibilities. I know I've taken this in a different direction, but my point is this. If example b is your soldier, hold their feet to the fire.