Posted on May 5, 2016
What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?
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Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
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Responses: 204
This happened often in my battalion. I would see overweight higher ranking NCO's and Officers have night APFT and have it signed off. I actually caught them because I needed at test and requested mine be done at same time. As I headed out I saw them get picked up and taken to end thinking I didn't see it. I complained but was given extra duty and forced to do other horrible things as reprisal. On deployment was not much I could do about it as lower enlisted. I thought it was horrendous for seniors to do this and laugh yes laugh as we did our APFT by day. They would laugh at me as I ran because I had injuries that made me run funny. I suffered quite a bit. Shameful. All I wanted to do is serve my country with honor but not everyone is honorable.
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CPL Tanya Bailey - Thank you for sharing your story, and I am sorry that you were retailed against for living the Army Values. You did not deserve that. As painful as it was, your integrity was still intact in the end. Lead with your Core Values in the forefront.
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We had a drill SGT unit in our building and would schedule APFT weekends parallel with ours and there was no favoritism.
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What would I do? Ready the Court Martial proceedings and get the person gone immediately. I'd also make it known who was getting kicked out and why. Of course that would probably hurt someone's feelings. Field grade officers should get zero tolerance for integrity and honor violations. There is absolutely no place for them in the Army.
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Same thing I did to the Sergeant First Class, relieve the Major on the spot, Relief for Cause OER
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One should always be mindful of the regulations and gather the appropriate information that proves what someone else did was wrong & when reporting something such as this be wary that though what the Major did was wrong and possibly be investigated for submitting false official documentation, what causing this stir could possibly lead to in terms of detriment to their careers. Especially if that Major is in your direct CoC or in case you're an NCO/Officer if she's in your rating chain as a rater/senior rater/reviewer of your Evaluation Report, it doesn't take much for them write you a bad evaluation, but it takes a ton of evidence on your part to prove that the bad evaluation was a reciprocal action in regards to you being the whistle blower.
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I do appreciate RP members developing their personal solutions to a wide-spread cancer in our Military. That shows initiative, critical and creative thinking.
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Many have been chartered for this fraud. This officer should be no different. I know several officers currently active that couldn't pass APFT ever but still are moving forward. You can call me on it. Actually I'm still shocked that they are still in. That just shows you that they are being taken care of. No integrity but they expect the NCOS to be that way.
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Shocked yes. Shocked how? These integrity violations must always be reported. Thank you for holding strong to your Core Values you do not have to be like them EVER!
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I'd use every last bit of fight in me to fry that MAJ. Definitely with your rank and position, show that MAJ that he is not above any other soldier. We all know what would happen with enlisted if caught.
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Soldiers that do these integrity violations are robbing the bank and those that assist them or fail to act are driving the getaway car. Good point. Leaders must enforce standards and hold Soldiers accountable for their actions no matter if it is an officer or enlisted Soldier.
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It is very disturbing. As leaders, we set the example with integrity as our foundation. Without integrity the whole house crumbles down.
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Just to make sure I understand the image, here, that says 44.3%, right? If my math is correct, that's almost 50%. That means that almost half of this officer is fat.
In that case, CSM, you do nothing. A heart attack is surely around the corner.
In that case, CSM, you do nothing. A heart attack is surely around the corner.
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Sir, OK that caught me off guard. I feel badly I just had a laugh. I did not want to laugh about a heart attack, since that is serious. I understand your point of being obese is unhealthy.
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