Posted on May 5, 2016
What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?
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Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Here is a point of reference:
Two female Soldiers >40 years old:
Soldier A - 63” tall 126 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 26% Army Wellness Center Pod: 27%
Soldier B - 64” tall 173 lbs. Body Composition Tape: 25% Army Wellness Center Pod: Refused
Discuss.....
Integrity
APFT
Misconduct
Character
What Would You Do
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Perhaps a simple suggestion to those who received the form that maybe it should be checked for accuracy.
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Capt (Join to see)
CSM (Join to see) - Then it might be time to close the Human Resources unit and start over.
I just can'r stand lack of integrity in officers and NCOs.
I just can'r stand lack of integrity in officers and NCOs.
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CSM (Join to see)
Sir, in a perfect world almost the entire S1 would be cleaned out. That might me tough, but possible. Is that your final solution?
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Capt (Join to see)
Assuming that the problem here is that a field grade officer submitted false data for I assume to be to hide his real status then no, my solution would be to report the Major for submitting a fraudulent report.
If that is not possible then I would bow out of the situation. However, I would probably have words in private with the major.
If that is not possible then I would bow out of the situation. However, I would probably have words in private with the major.
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Speak of Misconduct wow, what was on her mind I believe a lot of that goes on and the ranks it is just not monitor as well
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CSM (Join to see)
Some Soldiers have been doing these integrity violations for a while and allowed to act with impunity. As Leaders we must address these issues head on and never let them fester.
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Happens all the time! Enlisted get slammed and thrown out of the Army, officers get a stern talking to!!
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CSM (Join to see)
You are on point. Some Soldiers have been doing these integrity violations for a while and allowed to act with impunity.
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You do the same thing that you would do if it was an E-4. The standards are supposed to apply to O's and E's the same. Tell your CDR what you suspect. Call the losing unit CSM and see what you can find out. Check to see if it was entered in DTMS because the training NCO at the losing unit should have entered it in the system.
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When working with Senior staff there is always "that guy\gal". When an APFT and weigh in were conducted they would never show or their NCOIC would produce the results claiming that the individual in question had already tested. What I did was to conduct an APFT every quarter for everyone. If you were due then it would be a record test of not then it was a diagnostic. Ally testing was done at the company level. We also had the support of the BDE Commander. If an individual's PT test or weigh in was expired at the end of a six month period ( they were given an ample opportunity to take the test) and they were not on a profile then their score for the PT test was zero and they were flagged as a failure. The same for a weigh in.
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1SG John Aaron
CSM (Join to see) - Most NCOs and Officers do, but a BDE staff with over 230 people in it would have "that guy" every once and awhile.
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1SG John Aaron - Roger. Never be "That Guy". There are just some evil people in the world, too. They think rules are for everyone else.
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Report it up and make the Major retest if he or she was the one being tested. If the Major was administering the test, I'd consult with the Major, respectfully ask the Major to correct the error, and ensure the APFT Program Manager and CO are aware.
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CSM (Join to see)
Good analysis. As Leaders we must address these issues head on and never let them fester.
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CSM (Join to see)
I buckled up (safety first) and drove straight into the blizzard. It was chilly, well actually cold, no more like really cold, better description freezing, ok below freezing, and eventually it got to just above -273.15 degrees Celsius. After the storm passed, the sun’s light was shining through. It started to warm up albeit very slowly. Frostbite eventually heals.
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CSM (Join to see)
MSG (Join to see) - The buckling up did not do a lot of good during the blizzard. It is very easy to freeze to death in these situations. Especially when the snow has reinforcements.
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Unfortunately, I am not surprised at all. As leaders, we must set the example with integrity as our foundation.
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If I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that this officer did that, I would report it to my chain of command immediately. If I stand by and do nothing, then I'm condoning it and would be just as guilty. Those who are in leadership positions are expected to hold themselves and their subordinates to a higher standard. Leaders that don't do this won't be respected or taken seriously, and will therefore become ineffective.
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CSM (Join to see)
You are on point. Some Soldiers have been doing these integrity violations for a while and allowed to act with impunity. It is unfortunate that others help them, too. Hypothetically, the day the CSM goes on leave is always a good day to……
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If I was higher in the ranks I don't know how I would respond. You could let it slide however it makes you just as guilty. You could report it but your career could come to an end.
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CSM (Join to see)
Even as a PFC you can formulate a solution. There is no right or wrong ideas; it is just one course of action. Give it a try. Some solutions are better, but actually going through it is kind of like getting struck by lightning. Twice - standing on a metal tower wearing a lightning rod. Zap - hurts and burns, repeat. No matter the pain still report it.
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