Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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I fail to see , By any of the pics , any wrong doing, and all CSM yell there ass off,
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(c) Long length. Long hair is defined as hair length that extends beyond the lower edge of the collar. Long hair will
be neatly and inconspicuously fastened or pinned above the lower edge of the collar (except when worn in accordance
with para 3–2a(j)), except that bangs may be worn. The regulations for the wear of bangs detailed in paragraph
3–2a(3)(a) apply. No portion of the bulk of the hair, as measured from the scalp as styled, will exceed 2 inches (except
a bun, which is worn on the back of the head and may extend a maximum of 3 1/2 inches from the scalp and be no
wider than the width of the head).
be neatly and inconspicuously fastened or pinned above the lower edge of the collar (except when worn in accordance
with para 3–2a(j)), except that bangs may be worn. The regulations for the wear of bangs detailed in paragraph
3–2a(3)(a) apply. No portion of the bulk of the hair, as measured from the scalp as styled, will exceed 2 inches (except
a bun, which is worn on the back of the head and may extend a maximum of 3 1/2 inches from the scalp and be no
wider than the width of the head).
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i'm sure Army Command Sgt. Maj. Martin R. Barreras would be turning over in his grave if he saw her out of uniform
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She is hot! I wouldn't mind meeting up with her at the NCO club and having a drink or three.
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She's a POS!! The Army as a "whole" has gone to hell in a hand basket. Shit like this would NEVER had happened back in my day. I'm just totally shocked that a CSM would do something like this. Bust her ass down to a Private E-1 and see if her ass doesn't get fixed right away!!
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I would be filing a grievance to the IG. If she feels she is exempt from the standard, bring down the wrath.
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I'll take flack for saying this, but if it were a male CSM with hair touching his ears nobody here would give two squirts of piss.
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I believe this is becoming more prevalent in our Army today. How many leaders have corrected another Soldier or NCO from another unit, only to have the corrected Soldiers NCO defend the violation based on their perception of the regulatory guidance.
The majority of NCOs will take a correction at face value, regardless of the rank of those that make the correction. However, we probably have all been blown off at some point by those that out rank us. Continue to be the stewards and teach our Soldiers what's right. Situations like this definitely do not make it any easier though.
The majority of NCOs will take a correction at face value, regardless of the rank of those that make the correction. However, we probably have all been blown off at some point by those that out rank us. Continue to be the stewards and teach our Soldiers what's right. Situations like this definitely do not make it any easier though.
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What is interesting is that from the photos when she was assigned to the brigade when COL Jackson was the commander that her hair was within regulations. It would appear that the new brigade commander did not hold her to the standards.
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