Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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If the leader ship isn't correcting her and you know you have a valid argument then you have to take it to IG. Posting it on Facebook all though warranted is not going to help.
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CPT Russell Pitre
Yeah but posting to FB and places like RP is going to bring attention to the situation when the Army had failed. She had gotten away with it already. Now it is time to show what has happened when the Army is too weak to take care of a situation.
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If she has been getting away with the type of behavior for a long time then shame on the Leadership for failing to fix the problem.
In my opinion the only ways I see her CoC protecting her is A) she was considered a person who got results or B) she made sure she had enough dirt on them that forced their hand to unilaterally support her
In my opinion the only ways I see her CoC protecting her is A) she was considered a person who got results or B) she made sure she had enough dirt on them that forced their hand to unilaterally support her
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listen i get the point of rally point when it points out good things but to always post things that make the military look shameful is not the point.. Its a disgrace and makes us all look bad!
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CPT Russell Pitre
You can only look bad if you are bad. She did it on her own. There is no shame she didn't bring on her own. If you want to make excuse to horrible leadership then maybe you are part of the problem too.
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SP5 (Join to see)
CW3 (Join to see) Not dealing with the issue is what makes us "all look bad". Rally Point comments in general on this topic are focused on failures to manage, to lead, and to perform - at multiple levels in the organizations involved. To ignore this would perpetuate an intolerable situation.
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Like I said. I get where u are coming from but I think differently; I don't think the issue will get resolved this way. I say a group of Soldiers confront the situation face to face. That's all I'm saying.
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I thought this was a site to voice your opinion and not to judge or point blAme and surely not to argue. I definitely was not making excuses for her!! I am an awesome warrant office and I come from a corps who cares and stands up for the right thing and confronts issues head on, not behind a keyboard. I don't think is was very fair or nice of u CPT to say I may be part of the problem when Nbr one, you don't know me and Nbr two you DONT know me. So making comments like that is unprofessional and embarrassing to the officer Corp. aye aye aye. I'm out
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I never knew there was a time limit to pay respect to the fallen...this definitely needs to be questioned?
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there isn't - see this is what I mean about what I said in my comment - you are right fellow warrant - no limit!!
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The entire officer corps is guilty of psychophantic careerism to the point of treason.
This is what you get when you practice PC and "Go along to get along" leadership. There was a time when we had leaders. Now we have managers.
This is what you get when you practice PC and "Go along to get along" leadership. There was a time when we had leaders. Now we have managers.
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wow - I disagree - you said ENTIRE - I beg to differ!! I am a WO and I care about my Soldiers and the entire Country - statements like this are demeaning and should not be posted.
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CPT Russell Pitre
She has been in a while to get CSM. She must have been in the military in your day.
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The MP are the backbone of the US Army by enforcing military laws and regulations. If you cannot enforce military laws and regulations then you cannot be in the Army. Follow the laws and regulations in the ARMY is everyone's job.
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CPT Russell Pitre
CW3 (Join to see) - I have never heard that the MPs are the backbone of the Army. If anything it would be infantry since that was the first MOS in the Army and they are the ones that primary execute the mission of the Army.
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CPT Russell Pitre - nope My entire 25 years in that is all I heard, "The NCOs are the backbone of the Army." I'm just saying what I heard and I believe it to be true. Just my opinion - no one specific MOS is the backbone of the Army really. Everyone does their part - without HR those infantryman wouldn't get paid right? My opinion only. Have a great day!!
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Using great tact to make a diplomat,blush,I would cautiously approach the CSM with AR.670-1in tow and discuss the correct grooming standards for females. But in reality,let us be brutally frank.Her colonel or whoever is her immediate supervisor maybe turning a blind eye to this CSM's cavalier disregard for regs because,fear of critiquing an African American female in a high profile position invites cries of racism.She knows this and is mostly using that to her advantage. Unfortunately,she as a CSM, creates a toxic work environment that erodes unit cohesion and that is sad because all those awards she earned mean nothing when flaunting regs.
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It's pretty Easy to Blast someone on social media, but has anyone had the intestinal fortitude to go to the CSM office and correct her?
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I so agree with you!! - it starts with the Chain - you shouldn't be blasting this online - it's embarrassing to the military as a whole - its the same as calling that person out in front of others - very unprofessional. So for those of you who are talking about others online, you are just as bad as them in a way. Think about it!
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SSG Ray Strenkowski
CW3 (Join to see) Chief - I'd encourage you to read the many comments here and on other sites. She had been engaged on this issue many times in the past and chose to do her own thing.
Although many of the photos of her on the 8th MP Bde site have been removed, many of the pictures are posted here. The photos show that she has been doing this for some time.
Putting yourself in say an E-3's shoes, what would your course of action be considering that your BDE CSM is the one not living up to the standard that she is supposed to set the example?
Although many of the photos of her on the 8th MP Bde site have been removed, many of the pictures are posted here. The photos show that she has been doing this for some time.
Putting yourself in say an E-3's shoes, what would your course of action be considering that your BDE CSM is the one not living up to the standard that she is supposed to set the example?
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Capt Tom Brown
CW3 (Join to see) - What you say is true but I suspect this has been going on for so long with no relief from anyone that frustration finally built up to a point where it had to be laid out in public and aired like a soiled bedsheet. Too bad for the Army it ever got this far and that so many RPs felt the need to voice their concerns in public.
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Yea I know. It's just social media has gotten so out of control. Thanks for understanding my POV though. Another CPT was argumentative with me saying maybe I was part of the problem that I am defending her. I don't like that. This site is not to argue. This is exactly why stuff like this shouldn't be aired on social media b
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