Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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When you're at the CSM level in your career, the individual thinks he or she is untouchable. A true waste of tax payer dollors!Time to retire her ass!
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There is a time and a place for everything. If that was me and I had a Master Chief dressed like that and doing the exact same thing, I would have decked the SOB in front of everyone, and then demanded an Article 134 in front of Everyone present so it could not be swept under the rug and in the same breath accuse the SOB of Article 92, and make sure I had a crack Sea Lawyer who would Article 46 all these pictures and everyone present who heard her mouth off at the practice and at any time previously in theater. If I am going down, I will take her with me, and any decent judge will see it for what it is and exonerate me for the actions as grief stricken, and bust that sorry excuse for a NCO down to mess cook and give them a Dishonorable Discharge, that way they can run for Congress as a Democrat. (if anyone has a problem with hitting a female, if they want to be seen as equal, and be in a combat area, then so be it. I trained females for men's jobs and was happy to do it.)
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SCPO Anthony Wingers
Smacking a superior is never a good idea, no matter what the provocation. The idea of striking a superior is totally anathema. No matter how justified, striking a superior will negate any argument you have toward correcting the original problem. You will have become the problem, and they will treat you as such and give you no quarter for your butt hurt. P.S. You don't hit the girl. I say again for possible penetration, you don't hit the girl. I guess your momma never taught you that.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
SCPO Anthony Wingers - Hitting a Girl or Woman is one thing. Hitting an "Equal" is totally different. When Gloria Steinem started her crap and demanded that Women be seen as Equal as a man that started to run afoul of scriptures. BUT if they want to fill the same billets they get treated the same as a man. NO DIFFERENCE. If they act like a POS they get treated like a POS. Remember Andy Griffith in "No time for Seargents" All he saw was two Officers That's the was it should be.
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SCPO Anthony Wingers
You know better. That ain't ever gonna happen. Not now, not never. There is a double standard, and if you hit her, you would be a grease spot under the Navy shoe.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
Well what else is new? The NAVY screwed me royally after Vietnam anyway along with a few thousand other Senior enlisted's. The rates were top heavy with well trained highly motivated sailors who were well on their way to careers when the Navy PnA'd us over and over again and told us there was no room for us at the top.and told us we could ship out. Thousands of Senior enlisted's left so the lowers could move up. All that knowledge left. Six months after discharge I received a call, The NAVY wanted me back They needed ME and my knowledge of the M61a1 Gun system because they were putting it onto Carriers and the Coral Sea now had the first Operational Sea Whiz system. I said sure Give me the stripe you held from me and the six months pay and Ill come back, They refused. I was already making double as a tailboard firefighter what I was making as a Senior Second class with 8 years. So like I said they Navy has been screwing itself and others for a while, and from what I read here the NAVY is not the only one. but still I would not trade my time in for anything on earth.
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It's nothing new about women soldiers not complying with uniform standards. During my entire career I saw it over and over, anything from hair interferringvwith headgear to fingernails way too long. When anyone started to say anything they'd start the sexual harassment bullshit. It takes a heartless person to do what she did to that man kneeling at his brothers coffin. As for her being promted...bitch probably slept her way through the ranks with the right people.
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Without knowing all the information about the incident and assuming the CSM in question has no severe mental problems she may have become calloused by constant exposure to sad situations. I remember one time as NCOIC of the Base Funeral detail back in the 1960s we had numerous funerals for Vietnam casualties and surrounding retired officers and enlisted men. On one occasion while waiting for a late funeral procession to arrive the Funeral Detail was joking around and laughing. Since there were several people already present to attend the burial I instructed the guys to cool it so as to not appear disrespectful while we had an audience nearby. I knew these guys meant no disrespect, it was just that they had participated in so many funerals it became "just another job" to them.
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Our military of today (All Branches ) / IS NO LONGER SPIT AND POLISH / / CORE BELIEFS / VERY FEW OUT FITS CAN BE COUNTED ON THO BE ALL THEY CAN BE / ANY ORGANIZATION IS LED FROM THE TOP / YOU SEE WHO WE HAVE HAD AT OUR TOP ! ( GOD HELP US > WE ARE CLOSE TO SELF DESTRUCTION BY OUR COMMAND IN CHIEF > ( IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO ( IT ) IS AND WHAT ( IT ) IS THEN YOU ARE LOST IN SPACE !
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If this is true. I would like to personally apologize to the Soldiers for this poorly set standard of a CSM. As i was one myself. I am very disappointed in the behavior of a few in the current ranks who don´t lead by good example. I did my best while on duty to set the best example of what right looked like for officers and enlisted. CSM´s are the standard setters and enforcers. If you are guilty CSM of what i have read. Shame on you. Please retire immediately.
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Cpl Gabriel F.
The real and disrespectful to the fallen, the service of those gone before. Look into the this conduct unbecoming.
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As a young CPL or SGT, I would have pulled her aside & respectfully informed her that her hair was below her collar/shoes were fashionable but not within AR 670-1/etc. If she chewed me out in response, I would go through the NCO CoC all the way up to SMA. But I can sit up here an pontificate all I want since I am no longer in. But this soldier is in my generation, so someone did not do any on the spot corrections with her as a junior enlisted or junior NCO. Or, she felt that her rank made her immune to Army regulations.
NCOs are the backbone of the Army. It's a damn shame that soldiers are allowed to get away with circumventing military regulations instead of admitting a mistake was made and correcting it. I've seen this under different circumstances with all races, genders, and senior enlisted/officer ranks. The military has changed from soldiers taking the hard right to doing the easier wrong.
NCOs are the backbone of the Army. It's a damn shame that soldiers are allowed to get away with circumventing military regulations instead of admitting a mistake was made and correcting it. I've seen this under different circumstances with all races, genders, and senior enlisted/officer ranks. The military has changed from soldiers taking the hard right to doing the easier wrong.
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Answers:
(a) Because it's the Army.
(b) Standards are low, and optional for Senior Enlisted / Commissioned personnel.
(c) Again... It's the Army, and everyone knows the Army is a bunch nasty asses that promote just about anyone. It's the result of having an "everyone's a winner" society bleeding into and moving up the ranks. Of course all this falls on the Senior personnel listed in (b). If you do your jobs, they'll do theirs. Now go do your damn jobs.
(a) Because it's the Army.
(b) Standards are low, and optional for Senior Enlisted / Commissioned personnel.
(c) Again... It's the Army, and everyone knows the Army is a bunch nasty asses that promote just about anyone. It's the result of having an "everyone's a winner" society bleeding into and moving up the ranks. Of course all this falls on the Senior personnel listed in (b). If you do your jobs, they'll do theirs. Now go do your damn jobs.
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What's going on with our military it make me sad after I spent 27 years in the Army when I look at the pictures where is her superior officer and why did he let this go this far he should be much the blame for her to stand in front of a company that is a insult and she does not represent the uniform .Thank you.The General
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