Posted on Apr 27, 2016
CPT Russell Pitre
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:

"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."

What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?

What should the Army do about this?

(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)

**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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Maj Dale Smith
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This is an interesting post and I have experienced situations like this on a number of occasions. The impediments to rectifying the situation are a superior rank and opposite gender. In this particular case you begin at the lowest managable level and you speak with one of her staff laterals who is a female and can "suggest" a behavioral change in a social setting. If this doesn't work, you then go above her to an officer, who should be a Captain or above, who is also female and can affect a change. This should be as far as it needs to go, but if there is superior female to go to, and there is some sort of collusion between the remale NCO and the Company, Battalion or Brigade Commander, then it becomes an IG issue, and this is what the IGs office is for. Document all the issues you have with dates, times and issues. Try not to be petty, but a senior NCO's job is to set an example for the troops and if this isn't happening, re-thinking her trip through the NCO acadamy my be in order. I have experienced a similar situation with a female LtCol, for which a interjected a female Captain that was exceedingly professional and well knowledged to buffer her. I had discipline and activity problems with female airmen and as a male officer, chose to use a female NCO to correct the issue. In a case where there could be a race issue, I chose a female NCO of the same race so that the only issue that could be addressed would be the Air Force regulation violation. If it is still published, the ArmY Field Manual AFM100-45 may make a good read WRT leadership and expected bearing. It may have been superseded since the Vietnam era though.
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SMSgt Paul Lukich
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Somehow the standards have been lowered to a point that someone needs a severe ass kicking. There are too many soldiers, airmen and seaman who do not meet the weight standard. I was sitting in the picnic court of the BX the other day and four MSgts and a Chief came in for lnch, and I thought they werre the front line of a football team. Shape up people and take some pride in wearing the uniform (and that includes officers, especially the Medical Corps.)
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SPC Anthony Moyle
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What a horrible excuse for a soldier let alone a leader im shocked she made csm
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Sgt Tom O'Brien
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well....looks to me she is going to pull the persecution card when she is confronted, If I had this young woman in my command, I would offer her two choices....get with the program ...or the one I would really push.....Involuntary separation with no pension
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PO3 John Wagner
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Is this a case of lying on the glass ceiling by any chance?
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I agree that shameful is the best description of both her behavior and that of her superiors.
SSG Marco Mancilla
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There is lot of immature people that have a high rank. Rank does not make someone a good leader it just means somehow they were able to achieve their high rank. There is corruption everywhere. There are people that still out rank her , what are they doing about it!.
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CPT Richard Olson
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Pull out FM 22-100 and 22-5. Then drag her ass into your office and have her stand there at attention and ask her what the policy is for grooming standards, let her answer then ask her if she thinks she is within guidelines, then tell her to get her goat smellin ass over to the barber get it cut to regulations and report back to me by COB. If she doesn't write her ass up. This is the reason I got out in 2009. The ARMY aint what it use to be. I reasigned my comission in 1992 After coming back from Desert Shield Desert Storm after years of service and a Primary MOS 18A and Secondary 35G Bill was in I knew what was going to happen and it did put 1st BN 7thSFG out of commission for a while cause some many of us got out. 11 officers out of 23 reasigned cause of slick Willy
Today If I was still an officerr I would probably be a 2 star I was an 03(P) after Desert Storm. This CSM I'd have her ass in a sling and if she is that bad how the fuck did she become a CSM. Who's dick is she sucking and fucking. i did 35 years total service I was going to do 40 but fuck it not today. Im 56 now I'd go back in if they would let me but if I did I would sit on my ass for 5 years and tell you to go fuck yourself if you asked mer to do anything cause it aint like it wqaas and the ARMY haas become pussified. They have lowerd the standards for everything. Women in SF Q course and Rangers are yo9u fucking kidding me. You go did the shit hole for them oh and we can't pull that mission cause the bitch is bleeding, can it wait one week then we can. Sure can there Yogi I'll go tell Mr. Ranger. Fuck it. Get rid of this CSM and get some one that knows what being a CSM is and Means

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SPC Terrance Holzenberg
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Oh you guys didn't know, she's one of Obamanite girls . She looks like a feminazi that is waiting for anyone to say something to her so she can call out sexual harassment or racist. She's part of BLM and she has the IQ of a monkey.
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CPO Mark Woten
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The whole picture is totally screwed. They say that the standards are set for all in the military. These standards are NOT really enforced to both genders. This is SAD!!! I observed that when I was stationed in Great Lakes Illinois as staff for the US Navy. During this period, the military bearing I observed was totally UNSATISFACTORY at all level. All they wanted was for me to be quiet and be R.O.A.D. (Retired On Active Duty) I was NOT going to sit back and watch it go down the drain. I was attacked from all angles and knew it was a losing cause. It was probably why I did NOT make E8. This individual listed above probably got something on someone HIGHER in her chain of command (COC). Maybe she is SERVICING someone in her COC. Through my career I treated EVERYONE the same so someone could NOT say that I gave favoritism. Everyone wants to be treat the same.... Lets make it equal to all including physical readiness standards. YES!!!! There is a lot of issue that need to be FIXED but welcome to the NEW MILITARY!!!
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