Posted on Apr 27, 2016
CPT Russell Pitre
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:

"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."

What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?

What should the Army do about this?

(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)

**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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I believe the whole unit is responsible. Junior enlisted can bring it to the attention of their first line leaders. Based on the rank of the soldier who is not observing the standards, a proper counseling is required and the counseled soldier need to give a class about Army standards. This way the unit will enforce the standards and soldiers knowledge will be refreshed.
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Capt Tom Brown
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Wonder if she is still around or retired gracefully?
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SFC Bill Snyder
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y\Ya know, back in the days of the Brown Shoe Army, a Blanket Party and Sheep Shears would be in order. I guess I'm dreaming.
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When I was in WLC now BLC I read a sign it said “Sgt if you walk passed a difficency without correcting it you have created a new standard.". There is also a thing called general authority, that gives any SM the right to correct a difficency such as this one. Sounds like people are to afraid to correct her or if they have she ignored it which is disrespectful of your rank. I'll end this with one question. How many males has she told to get a haircut?
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SGT Francis Wright
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She'd be getting a hair cut; and a crash course in 670-1.
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SFC Fred Youngs
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So I have read most of the Posts on this CSM! What id anything ever came of her actions? Was she Fired or given a Crap NCOER?
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LTC George Clarke
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Apparently even though she has been approached respectfully she ignores the comments and refuses to change; I am quite sure her Commander is aware of her issues but does not want to be charged with "harassment" so he is just hoping it will just go away. Take the problem to the CSM USA, it may get exciting for a time but you are standing for what is right and contributing to the Good Order and Discipline of your unit and the rest of Our Army . I fully support you.
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1SG John Baize
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I cannot completely agree with you, sir. Involving the CSM of USA is too late. If her commander is aware and afraid of the harassment card, then he too, should be questioned. Being a commander means making the hard decisions. He, the commander, is the first (and last) person that should address this issue.
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SPC Joe Toribio
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Our csm woukd put some of his patches in the wring place . Just to see who would correct him. I seemed to be one of the few that would do so. I was a private then. Every one seemed so afraid they would tell me about it but never correct him. It is every soldiers job to correct one another on their aperance it reflects on all of us when its not taken care of. The csm or even the commander or col. Cannot get angry at you for correcting his apperance. Its just you looking out for your battle. If they do get mad at you about it then just turn your american flag upside down and walk away.
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SFC Jim Ruether
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Printed in Stars and Stripes in of this year
By WYATT OLSON | STARS AND STRIPES
Published: May 5, 2016

FORT SHAFTER, Hawaii — A command sergeant major whose out-of-regulation hairstyles, makeup and clothing sparked a firestorm of social media criticism is receiving counseling and has expressed “regret” for the distraction she has caused.

Photos of Command Sgt. Maj. Angelia Flournoy, who is with the 8th Military Police Brigade at Schofield Barracks, were posted to the Facebook page of the group US Army Military Police WTF Moments. Hundreds of comments were subsequently posted to the 8th MPB Facebook page, some of which have been deleted.

Photos show Flournoy’s hair hanging over her collar, while others show her wearing high heels while in uniform.

Some online commenters, who claim first-hand experience with Flournoy, describe her as imperious, long ignoring so-called “spot corrections” made by fellow soldiers pointing out her out-of-regulation attire. Others related disparaging anecdotes and second-hand gossip, and commenters turned their ire on MPB command after Facebook posts were deleted and photos removed.Late Wednesday, Flournoy posted a statement on the 8th MPB’s Facebook page, saying: “I appreciate those who have corrected me and expressed their concern about my appearance not being fully in compliance with” regulations.

“You are right to insist standards be set and met by all soldiers,” she wrote. “I sincerely regret how this has distracted from the great things the 8th Military Police soldiers are doing around the world.”

The 8th MPS is responsible for military policing in the Pacific region.

Maj. Leslie Waddle, a spokesperson for the 8th Theater Sustainment Command, said the entire affair had made Flournoy “very humble.”

“Her hair was definitely out of regulation in some pictures,” Waddle said. “There are shoes that are not definitely out of regulation, but definitely questionable.

“The command is definitely aware,” she said. “The command has brought her in for counseling.” She said the command at 8th TSC, which has oversight of the military police brigade, considers the matter resolved.Waddle said TSC Command Sgt. Maj. Gregory Binford met with Flournoy “immediately” after command became aware of the photos, many of which commenters have altered into memes, and has been counseling her.

“It’s definitely gotten misconstrued on the internet, for sure,” Waddle said. “He’s definitely been mentoring her, and she’s been very humble about it.”

In a statement posted on the 8th TSC Facebook page Wednesday, Binford wrote that “a humble leader can selflessly accept criticism” and that when “that epiphany comes, and the decision to change is made, it is a moment worthy of respect.”

“I believe CSM Flournoy has had that epiphany after our discussions about the important role we play as senior NCOs,” he wrote. “This is a moment of extreme humility, but only from that moment can a leader truly improve. I would encourage all leaders across the TSC, enlisted and officer alike, to look at themselves, be receptive to criticism, and be willing to change.”

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SGT Beverly Henderson
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This situation should never have gotten this far. She would not have gotten out of basic training if she looked like that and acted as it has been reported. It's been allowed to go on this far and dollars to donuts she won't change.
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1SG James F Gallagher
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This CSM is a disgrace. Her senior chain of command should be relieved along with her! 1SG Jim Gallagher USA (RET)
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