Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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I have personally witnessed a LTC wear his PC Backwards while taking photos of the Sullivan's Cup on FT Benning. I pointed it out to my fellow Drill Sergeant. As I started to walk up I noticed multiple CSM's standing there watching him and no one said anything. As a Drill Sergeant we are looked at as "the standard" but I look up to CSM and 1SG as inspiration. When 4 CMS don't say anything then I feel like I'm wasting my time. Wrong answer but it gets tiring trying to instill discipline when the higher ups don't care.
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The Marines have a sgt major of the Marine Corps and if she was in the corps the sgtmajmc would have her listening to son colorful language
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The Navy sends a survey each year for all Sailors to evaluate Command Climate. This is where we put down anonymously any grievances and anything jacked up. They really do check into it and clear it up. The Army should be required to have the same system of checks and balances. This us bad leadership
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MCPO Roger Collins
It's amazing that we got along without this process for a couple centuries without it. I suppose we were too busy fighting and winning wars. Gen. Mattis....Help!
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I had one, back in the 70s, I minded my own business and kept doing my job, but I did mention it to my squad leader. I was a private.
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I relief that CSM and Demoted to SGM. I am request to her to retire papel, that the reason NCO there not profesional and have not leadership to show a soldier about NCO
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This is a CSM in the Military Police?? Wearing stilettos while in uniform must have been some
kind of bad joke. She showed no professionalism as a CSM during the ceremony. I was a MP
in the old analog U.S. Army 1969-1971 and this kind of action by a NCO would have brought
down a world of hurt on that NCO from the company commanding officer. I saw my CO dress
down a 1st Lt. because his OD fatigue shirt and pants were wrinkled. The MP company I served
in was strict on Army uniform and appearance regulations. This was during the time of the
selective service system military draft and we had 2 year draftees that did not want to be in
the Army. The Army today is all volunteer and people enlist to serve but then you have some
like this CSM who want to "do their own thing". Where is this CSM's commanding officer and
how did she receive promotions to the CSM rank with her attitude? Hope she gets it together.
kind of bad joke. She showed no professionalism as a CSM during the ceremony. I was a MP
in the old analog U.S. Army 1969-1971 and this kind of action by a NCO would have brought
down a world of hurt on that NCO from the company commanding officer. I saw my CO dress
down a 1st Lt. because his OD fatigue shirt and pants were wrinkled. The MP company I served
in was strict on Army uniform and appearance regulations. This was during the time of the
selective service system military draft and we had 2 year draftees that did not want to be in
the Army. The Army today is all volunteer and people enlist to serve but then you have some
like this CSM who want to "do their own thing". Where is this CSM's commanding officer and
how did she receive promotions to the CSM rank with her attitude? Hope she gets it together.
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Honestly, I am uncertain how to react to this, the only time I ever witnessed a CSM lose their bearing the LTC publicly called him on it. And the other CSM I saw regularly was a CMoH recipient from Hue in 1968 and he was uber squared away and took to looking after the enlisted like a father would. I owe him my life.
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You ask what Col would let this happen, one that has hopes of putting on a star. I hate to say it but that is a result of the PC world. If they say anything then she can pull the woman card and if that didn't get the result desired then it would escalate to the race card and there goes the chance for that star. Those that would have responbded properly have been passed over and gotten out.
I am sorry I am old school, she would have been pulled on the carpet and as part of correcting the situation she would have been given a couple of hours to get the hair and uniform issues resolved or they would have been resolved for her.
She would have lost CSM and redeployed to an operational unit. If that was unacceptable then immediate separation at the convenience of the service. That would get the attention of other SNCO's, NCO's and other enlisted personnel Male or Female that were thinking they were entitled for one reason or another.
As a SCPO I encountered a couple of situations similar to this but not a bad. One lost their "A" school and the other was booted out.
I am sorry I am old school, she would have been pulled on the carpet and as part of correcting the situation she would have been given a couple of hours to get the hair and uniform issues resolved or they would have been resolved for her.
She would have lost CSM and redeployed to an operational unit. If that was unacceptable then immediate separation at the convenience of the service. That would get the attention of other SNCO's, NCO's and other enlisted personnel Male or Female that were thinking they were entitled for one reason or another.
As a SCPO I encountered a couple of situations similar to this but not a bad. One lost their "A" school and the other was booted out.
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