Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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People have too much time on their hands. How about this.. rather than complaining about petty stuff focus on standards not followed which effect safety. Such as moronic leaders instructing Soldiers to dress right dress chock blocks. Or when a senior nco tells a Soldier to remove a particulate mask when pollution levels consist of fine dust at terrible levels. Or how about this.. facilitate training using TMs. This is petty! Or how about this.. focus on the ass clown leader who sent out Soldiers on a land nav course during heat cat 5 which resulted in a fatality. I can go on..
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A prime example of people sliding through the cracks. No way those promotions were based on merit. I have witnessed a few of those before - "hide behind there rank, position, gender, race, religion, political affiliation, etc - etc". Gone are the days of calling Soldiers and in this case - calling leaders out for not being good Soldiers or leaders. The Army has become too politically correct and afraid it might melt a snowflake or two. We go from being too harsh and abrasive in being an Army that abuses its troops - to being too liberal and to afraid to even uphold simple uniform standards. There is a balance - and good leaders know where that line is and how to uphold and enforce it. Get the boomers out of the way and let the Xers clean this up or else we are going to end up turning over an Army to millenials that may be too broke for them to know how to fix! I wonder what our enemies think when they see and read about these kind of things???
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As part of the Big Red One, Fort Riley, KS, our base CSM would PT out of uniform. I suggested the proper uniform. Went to PLDC, top of class has lunch with said CSM. He rembered this. I am honor to hold that and others. Asked for coins on regular basis. I won, stayed in uniform when approaching my unit. Be polite and strong. Still have my coins.
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HER superiors should have relieved her of her duties until she complies with standards. If she refuses.....separation actions need to be initiated.
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This is easy. In this situation and others like it, if you can't respect the person you must still respect the rank. Ruck up and move on, making sure you do all you can do to lead those under you, keep them on course and alive.
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Thank the quota system...just one more reason females have no place in the MP Corp...put em behind a desk with half the pay.
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I believe the issue is not just the immediate correction that’s needed, but more importantly why such a correction didn’t happen earlier in this Soldier’s career. I would be surprised if this CSM did not have these incorrect habits long before arriving in her current position. Such behavior does not sprout up overnight.
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I had a Cadre Sergeant that tried correcting me for having a name tag too long by pulling out her ruler. She had make up on while in fatigues, wearing a gold necklace, smoking a cigarette in a medical building and had her boots bloused with cardboard. Then when she was corrected by me saying when she squares away herself then others would start correcting themselves. She was so mad she told me to get my As- out of her office. I then corrected her saying that she sexually harassed me by talking about part of my attomy and she is not to be cursing around troops. The funniest thing was when we as the company went on a PT run and she fell out throwing up on side of road. SFC Grant was another fine example of a Female drill Sergeant trying to show har leadership to Male Cadre. She ended up getting stupid and in trouble when she went on leave and extended her leave without The First Sergeant and Captains permission.
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Imma say this shit out loud and IDGAF who hears/ reads it. It is because she's a black female, somewhere, probably multiple times she has used that shit against someone that was scared of it. Maybe they were racist maybe they weren't. Seen it happen time and time again.
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