Posted on Jan 7, 2016
CPT Russell Pitre
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I just saw this video and felt like I was watching a multi-car accident on the interstate. It just got worse as it went on. What made it so bad as this was a SGT. The Safety was professional as he could be. Hats off to him. When I heard her say "I'm not Active Duty" I would have kicked her off the range. I am glad the Safety told her that she was a soldier and that he was a reservist too. If I was her CO I would have do everything I could to reduce her. But I think if you have a NCO like this in your unit the unit itself has a lot of issues in the first place. What kills me also is that she has a combat patch.

What would you have if you were the Safety?

Just so you know that you know it is believed that they Safety was a SSG just the same as was the soldier trying to load the mag.

https://www.facebook.com/Theseniorspecialist/videos/ [login to see] 43848/?fref=nf
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COL Jeff Williams
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I just watched this. Something odd about the video. 1. Why are they on the firing line training and shooting a video? Who would allow that? Why is the Soldier loading the magazine there? Why wouldn't she have the magazine loaded before she got to the firing line? Which makes me wonder if this is even real?
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LTC Jason Mackay
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1LT William Clardy - I propose the same in another part of the thread
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1LT William Clardy
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I know, LTC Jason Mackay -- I was actually agreeing with you on that point and adding my two cents' worth.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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In violent agreement I think
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SGT Jim Arnold
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if my memory serves me. there is a speed loader in each bandoleer you pull from the can. a group of 3 to 4 individuals can load more than enough magazines well before the whole firing line could empty their mags. I was always picked for loading detail.
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PO2 Steven Erickson
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OK. I'm with LCDR (Join to see) on this one.

IF this is real...

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO CORRECT IN PRIVATE? Facebook? Are you f'ing kidding me? If I was the CO of that soldier who posted it on Facebook, I'd have had him/her in my office RFN (That's even faster than ASAP... it's Right F'ing Now). This soldier would get a written Knife Hand like you wouldn't believe, and he/she would be giving a public apology to the SGT, her entire unit and my entire unit. CPT (Join to see) is right... sorta. It'd be "HULK SMASH" but not at the sergeant.

Then I'd make sure that the SGT's boss made DAMNED SURE this wouldn't happen again.

IF this is fake...

It's not funny, and I've found that my sense of humor scale is A LOT broader than most people.
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PO2 Steven Erickson
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Sorry, CPT (Join to see), I don't think I was clear...

My rant is aimed at the JACK-WAGON who posted the video! I would NEVER condone or tolerate an act like that - it's destructive behavior and puts the ENTIRE reserve force in a bad light! The internet is NOT a "broad paintbrush" - it's more like a FIREHOSE of paint that gets EVERYONE dirty.

Please note that I also said that the SGT's boss should make sure this doesn't happen again.

In no way, shape or form am I saying that the SGT hasn't "sucked out loud" and this wasn't an EPIC FAIL... I'm just pissed at the guy(s) who put this on the internet.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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PO2 Steven Erickson, forget "correct in private." Can anybody explain why range personnel who break out a camera and start taking pictures when they're supposed to be getting the firing line ready aren't bounced off the range as safety violations?
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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CPT Russell Pitre, the purpose of discipline is to correct behavior when it is correctable, not to punish anybody. The NCO needed training, and probably still does. Publicly ridiculing her does not accomplish that.
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PO2 Steven Erickson
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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This hurts my heart....
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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Since You Happened To Ask,
"What would you do if your Sergeant didn't know how to load a magazine"?
Makes Me Wonder If Perhaps He Didn't Renew His Subscription?
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SFC Marcus Belt
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I've been doing this long enough to NOT be surprised by anything. Fix the problem, continue training. Afterwards when I'm not burning daylight on a range, I check to see if I need to conduct more remedial training.

Given just the video, I don't know the backstory or anything about this Soldier's performance, but I do know that being a dick about it can alienate Soldiers who aren't even involved. Being a dick is rarely the preferred technique for teaching someone to do something and do it well, nor does it create optimal conditions for unit cohesion.

Everybody remembers that leader in their career who'd take every opportunity to make everything suck (worse) for those around him. Remember that person?

If Soldier's didn't have deficiencies to be corrected, a great many of us would have to warm up our [rather dusty] resumes.
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COL Charles Williams
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I would train them properly, or retrain them. Apparently, her chain of command did PMI (pre marksmanship instruction) with her to ensure she was trained properly before she got to the range? That is where I would start.

The thing "between the lines" CPT Russell Pitre that continues to kill me is excuse making - "I am not on active duty..." But, an active duty service members a a similar comment about are the guard or reserve, they are quick to tell us, they are in the Army... They can't have it both ways.... Can they?

When I was a Company Commander at Fort Drum, I had a PSG, I actually gave a summarized Article 15 to (trying to make a point) because he was failing at every NCO responsibility in AR 600-20; I actually read NCO responsibilities to him from the AR. His comment to me, more than once, was "I have never been a PSG before..." At the ART 15 hearing I told him "I have never been a Company Commander before either."

Sad, but, if a Soldier is not properly trained, we/you need to fix it. I would start with her NCOs who sent them to the range...
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CPT Russell Pitre
CPT Russell Pitre
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That is a pretty sad excuse. If they didn't think they could handle it maybe then the should have downed down the promotion.
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SGT Richard H.
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I'm sure that my first reaction (like most NCOs) would be utter disbelief that a fellow NCO doesn't know how to load a magazine. Beyond that, it's a teachable moment. Remove the shooter from the firing line, teach her what she's doing wrong while having a private chat about an NCOs responsible to remain proficient at basic tasks, and move on. There's no reason for this to be filmed, let alone posted on the web, but there's every reason to fix the problem. As noted by others, it also appears that there are some range safety rules that need to be reviewed, and there's a real good chance that this SGT shouldn't be allowed to shoot that day unless a whole lot of proficiencies can be demonstrated first.
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SSG James Newman
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Well, I think a lot of what you said is probably true as far as the unit having issues. I wish I could see the video to see how the Spc. handled it. Myself I am a retired SSG and I think if one of my Sergeants had this issue I would first be embarrassed that I failed him as a leader in such a simple task. I would certainly give him a counseling statement and the corrective action would be for him/her to load all magazines for the unit. It would be for a given time over maybe the next few ranges or something to that effect.
The piece about her having a combat patch I would have to see if she had actually deployed if she hadn't deployed with me.
If the SGT did not report to me I would report the incident to her NCO or officer, depending upon who was available.
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SGT(P) S6 Communications Ncoic
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Unbelievable. On all accounts. You have an unbelievably untrained NCO who clearly believes that being in the reserves is an excuse to be a piss poor soldier, and on the other hand, there is that mouthy Specialist who is more concerned with being able to belittle and disrespect a higher rank than actually helping the situation. This is one of far too many flags that are raised showing the decline of our military.
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PO1 John Miller
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I don't feel the SPC was being mouthy and disrespectful. He was training the Sergeant.
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CPT Russell Pitre
CPT Russell Pitre
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From what I am hearing is that they were both SSG. I don't think he was rude. There comes a time when you need to be told you are wrong.
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SGT John " Mac " McConnell
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OMG ! That is an accident waiting to happen ! SMDH !
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CPT Russell Pitre
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I agree. I would have not let her stay on the firing line.
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